crossfire MK1
Who has heard of it and what do you think. Did a google search not much came up. Have a guy on another forum that found one for $1300.
Not that big of an item, since I only get one reply. Know I never heard of them.
Not that big of an item, since I only get one reply. Know I never heard of them.
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I remember them from years ago, they came and went really quickly. Never appeared really practical to me, a way to heavy, unwieldy, gimmick as far as I was concerned.
If they were successful, all the Swat teams would have them as standard equipment for their tactical entry folks. I have yet to see any photos of them being used in that capacity. You couldn't hardly miss one of those things, it was so big and fugly.0 -
Well RS hit it.
They were not out for long and had lots of problems.
It was a semi cool idea but the gun sucked. It was a big heavy akward pump rifle/shotgun that looked kinda funny.0 -
Now if the rifle portion was semi auto, and the shotgun part held more then 4 or 5 rounds, it would have been alot cooler. I agree with the above two opinions.
I bet someone could figure out how to put a modified AR-180 bullpup system on top of a mossberg 500 pump, they would make millions.[:)]0 -
dnelson457,
Found the old info and drawings I had on the Original Crossfire.
I don't know if this is of any interest to you, but I worked with the guy who designed of the "Original" Crossfire (Shotgun/Rifle) configuration. My early and limited contribution to the weapon and its design was minimal, but I thought he had a real winner. The "Original" Crossfire my friend designed was drastically different from the model that was finally produced the model that came out for sale. The original Crossfire design could be operated the shotgun system or rifle rifle as either a semi-auto or a pump by simply flipping a switch with your thumb. I forgot it was originally supposed to have a magazine fed 12 Ga. barrel over a .308 nag fed barrel. The rifle's chambering was later changed to the .223 caliber, and it then to become a 12 Ga. over a .223 so the rifle part could use a AR-15 mags. As quickmajik pointed out, a mag fed design is a better idea and was part of the original design. As I remember, the original Crossfire was designed to use a special 7 round mag. This original configuration was a far superior, was outstanding in my opinion and the prototypes built on the original design worked very well. There were several variation considered in the initial planning stages. A later production version that had a folding stock was even being considered prior to the sell off of the design. There was even some consideration for making a model that had rifle chambering in .243.
Since the original Crossfire designer and I are from the same area, we went to Houston, TX to the Shot Show together in 1993. I believe that he met with a consortium at that show that finally obtained the rights to produce his design. I was at the show promoting a design on an item of my own that was totally unrelated to his item. After the Houston Shot show the designer and I drifted apart as I began to pursue the possibility for the production of my own item on which I have a patent.
For some unknown reason to me, the company that finally did produced the Crossfire that finally went on the market was drastically changed from the original design. I believe that my friend that designed the original actually even worked for the company that produced the final Crossfire model that was marketed. I haven't talked to him at length in quite a while, but I believe that he left the company prior to the final actual production of the Crossfire that was marketed. I think that he may have left that company because of the major design changes they made in the Crossfire that he didn't feel were very good. Apparently that has been the case.
As Nwcid pointed out, the final production model of the Crossfire has had lots of problems that I don't believe were ever addressed and that is why production was discontinued.
I used to have some of the old info on the Crossfire as original designed, but I'm not sure if I still have it now or not.
Hopefully this info is of some historical interest to you.
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quote:Originally posted by dnelson457
Who has heard of it and what do you think.
We had one of these. I shot it several times at the range, and I hated it.
It was prone to jamming, EVERY new shooter who picked it up and tried to switch between the functions quickly managed to jam it.
It could not be properly disassembled for a thorough cleaning. The disassembly instructions just said to send it back to the factory!
It was heavy, awkward and the trigger pull was about 20 pounds. You did well to hit a beer can off a rest at 25 yards firing .223.
It had a wierd, flimsy plastic tubular shotgun magazine that was unobtainable, so no quick reloads on the shotgun side. It did take AR mags for the .223, every type we tried worked as well as any other.
An interesting idea, executed poorly. We sold it on to someone else who like us thought it was interesting. Didn't lose any money on the deal.0 -
Boy does this thread need a picture. . .
Looks like a nice concept to me.
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Great idea, poor execution. If someone could make something like this that wasn't prone to jamming or breaking, I'd buy one. 0 -
i had one of these when they first came out. big pile of crap! hard to switch back and forth and you had to have real long arms to get it to work properly. mine also took alot of force to get the action to close. you would be wwwwaaayyy farther ahead buying an ar-15 and a pistol gripped shotgun for the money. 0
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