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calrugerfan
Ok, first my disclaimer: I am not looking to convert any of my firearms to fully automatic. As much fun as I think it would be, I value both my freedom as well as my extremities.

With that being said, I was talking to a friend that used to be a sheriffs deputy about some of his experiences on the job. He said that he has confiscated normal looking 22's that were converted to full auto. I was talking to somebody else that use to work for the FBI and has had a lot of experience with multiple types of guns. He said that he couldn't remember why, but that for some reason, a 22 could not function as a full auto.

Any thoughts? I know that there are some people that modify their guns and end up with a run away trigger.

Again, I do not want specifics on HOW to modify any firearm! I am simply trying to solve a debate that has been brought up.
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  • perry shooter
    There has been a number of guns legally built and sold in 22long rifle rimfire that were full auto nothing with this CARTRIDGE that would make it harder to design a full auto firearm.
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  • nmyers
    Sounds like the story about the 7 blind men describing an elephant. The experience that different folks have colors their idea of what the real world is like.

    There is no reason a .22 semi-auto rifle can't be converted to fire full auto. In fact, the American AR 180 Auto Carbine was manufactured in both a semi & a full auto version, & several LEA's liked the full auto gun. Fitted with a laser sight, it had a great intimidating effect on unruly prison inmates.

    Tactically, I think that a larger bullet is probably more effective in immediate incapacitation. For criminals looking to make their own full auto, a .22 rifle is a lot cheaper if you are just looking for something to convert by chopping parts; if it continues to fire until empty, that's all the better.

    Neal
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  • calrugerfan
    Thank you. Those were my thoughts. I figured that if a run away trigger can be made, a gun can be made to stop when the trigger is released.
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  • 11b6r
    The Amrican 180 (know known as the M-2) had, IIRC, a ferocious rate of fire- about 1500 rounds per minute. There have been many other full auto 22s. Here is a rather nice 1928 Thompson, full auto, .22 LR: http://www.impactguns.com/store/MGC-217TF.html

    There are FREQUENTLY feeding problems with the .22 LR, due to the rim.
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  • Winston Bode
    I bought a Voere .22 caliber rifle, (sic), once and got it home and fired it. It functioned as it should as a semi-auto. Then I took it apart to look the insides over and clean it. I noticed a screw inside of the action that appeared to have worked itself out so I screwed it in tight. The next time I fired it it emptied the magazine. I backed the screw out and it worked as a semi-auto again.

    I promptly traded it off, don't need any problems with "The Man".

    So, yes some .22's are easier to convert to full auto than others.

    Bode
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  • Colt Super
    quote:Originally posted by Winston Bode


    I bought a Voere .22 caliber rifle, (sic), once and got it home and fired it. It functioned as it should as a semi-auto. Then I took it apart to look the insides over and clean it. I noticed a screw inside of the action that appeared to have worked itself out so I screwed it in tight. The next time I fired it it emptied the magazine. I backed the screw out and it worked as a semi-auto again.

    I promptly traded it off, don't need any problems with "The Man".

    So, yes some .22's are easier to convert to full auto than others.

    Bode


    A few years ago I had a Friend who maintained NFA weapons for the Police community here. He would let me fire all kinds of those weapons in his yard.

    My favorite was an integrally suppressed, select-fire 10/22. I could have owned it for $1400.00, but that seemed like too much money !!

    Live and learn !!

    Doug
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  • beantownshootah
    Absolutely there are functional full auto .22LR guns. See here (and feel free to show the links to your friends to prove it):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8rnLxIWGro

    And here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRQRDIy3mv0&feature=related

    And here's that famous American 180:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFuuU21cCyc&feature=related

    Etc, etc. . .


    Functionally, generally the main differences between full and semi-auto versions of a gun are in the trigger (or trigger control group and disconnector).

    Legal issues aside, as a blanket statement, pretty much any gun that can fire reliably semi-auto can be made to do so full-auto, with some designs, obviously, being easier to convert than others.
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  • Fatstrat
    The principle problem w/ converting a .22 semi auto to full auto at home is lack of trigger control.
    It's easy to do. Simply file down the sear. But the problem is that once you pull the tigger, it will fire the entire magazine until it is empty or jams.
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  • JIM STARK
    Customer of mine has an legal full auto UZI that was originally a 9mm. He bought a .22 conversion kit and boy does that thing eat .22 ammo. Works fine in .22 LR full auto...
    JIM..................
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  • cbxjeff
    I have a number of Voere rifles - although semi's. I am familiar enough with the brand to know that yes, there are full auto vers available.
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