Antique, C&R?
7 shot 1871 Czar Spur trigger 22 revolver. Probly made by H & R. Is this antique or C&R ?[img][http://s111.photobucket.com/albums/n123/pogybait2/?action=view?t=DSC07630.jpg/img]....[/img]
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What year was it made?
If it was made before 1899 it is an antique.0 -
It's legally a antique as far as the feds are concerned, because it was made prior to 1898.
Since it chambers readily available .22 ammo, even though it would be very dangerous to fire it with modern high pressure ammo. There might be legal complications in certain States and/or Cities that have very restrictive gun laws.
I wouldn't be shipping it to N.Y., Calli, or any of those other left wing, commie loving places, other then thru a 01 FFL Dealer. My 2?.
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OK thanks, Ive seen these Suicide Specials sold both ways on GB. Just want to CMA..... 0 -
rufe-snow....California's laws regarding antiques reference the Federal statutes, a antique firearm (pre-1899) here is the same as every other state, no exceptions. I buy antiques from out of state all of the time, shipped to my door, and believe it or not, there is no "boogeyman" waiting to pounce on me the second I open it. It is perfectly legal.
I know it was not your intent, but everytime you tell someone not to ship to California or to ship a antique firearm to an 01FFL, you are aiding our legislatures cause and they don't need any help. The misinformation about shipping to California is twice as bad as the real laws. And doubly sad since most of it comes from gunowners forums and gun auction sites also.
Remember, we are on the front line here and trying to keep the holes in the dike plugged. If we fail, you're next. [:)] Geez....I wish that wasn't true.
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quote:Originally posted by blackpowdermax
rufe-snow....California's laws regarding antiques reference the Federal statutes, a antique firearm (pre-1899) here is the same as every other state, no exceptions. I buy antiques from out of state all of the time, shipped to my door, and believe it or not, there is no "boogeyman" waiting to pounce on me the second I open it. It is perfectly legal.
I know it was not your intent, but everytime you tell someone not to ship to California or to ship a antique firearm to an 01FFL, you are aiding our legislatures cause and they don't need any help. The misinformation about shipping to California is twice as bad as the real laws. And doubly sad since most of it comes from gunowners forums and gun auction sites also.
Remember, we are on the front line here and trying to keep the holes in the dike plugged. If we fail, you're next. [:)] Geez....I wish that wasn't true.
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Very thankfully I'm a ex Californian. No matter what you say, I would not send an antique, ( Pre 1899 ), cartridge handgun to Cali, if it's chambered for a readily available cartridge. Unless it was transfered through a 01 FFL. Any time you have any sort of firearms transaction with anyone in Cali, remember the 11th commandment, "CUA".0 -
for any one who cares,
single action spur trigger revolvers marked CZAR are generally accepted to have been manufactured by Hopkins & Allen, but at least one source state this name has been seen on revolvers manufactured by Hood Firearms also.
the single action spur trigger revolvers are believe to have given way to the more advanced double action solid frame revolvers by the mid 1890's but some were still being sold as late as 1907. a 1902 sears catalog lists one called the Liberty and in a 1907 iver johnson sporting good company catalog the same revolver is shown and listed as the Champion. either they were still being manufactured after 1900 or someone had a very large inventory they were still trying to get rid of. cost in the 1902 sears catalog $1.15 and cost in the 1907 iver johnson sporting good catalog $1.25. both were only offered in 22 short caliber
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Sounds like that pistol might have been made after 1898.
You had better do your research, and learn in what year that pistol was manufactured.0 -
I have a czar manufactered circa 1871 was told it was made by norwich arms which eventually was taken over by hood firearms. looks almost identical to yours. any more info on these would be helpful mostly as far as how value them 0 -
Go to search and type in T&R Czar, Capt. Kirk has a thread on these, I know when they were made and about what they a worth. Weather its safe or not it still chambers the available .22 so I guess that makes it a non-antique C&R to be safe... 0 -
The determination of whether a gun is legally classified as an antique, according to federal law, is date of manufacture.
If the gun was made before 1899 it is an antique.
It has nothing to do with whether it shoots readily available ammunition.
Take the 1873 Colt SAA pistol.
You can have one that was made in 1897, and you can have the exact same pistol made in 1905.
Let's say that these two pistols both shoot the .45 Long Colt cartridge, which is readily available, over the internet and elsewhere.
The Colt made in 1897 is an antique, by federal law, and the one made in 1905 is C&R.0 -
from empirearms.com
Pre-1899 Firearms FAQ
by James Rawles, Clearwater Trading Company
Revised April 30, 2004
In response to numerous requests, here are the answers to the questions
that I most commonly get on pre-1899 firearms. The second half of this FAQ
posting lists serial number cut-offs for the 1899 threshold for many gun makers.
Q: What constitutes "antique" under U.S. law?
A: Although your State and local laws may vary, any firearm with a receiver actually made before Jan.
1, 1899 is legally "antique." and not considered a "firearm" under Federal law. This refers to the actual
date of manufacture of the receiver/frame, not just model year or patent date marked. (For example,
only low serial number Winchester Model 1894 lever actions are actually antique.) No FFL is required
to buy or sell antiques across state lines-- they are in the same legal category as a muzzle-loading
replica. I regularly ship them right to people's doorstep via UPS, with no "paper trail." Think of it as
the last bastion of gun ownership privacy.
Q: I saw a post that said that pre-1899s are considered modern "firearms" if they are chambered to fire
ammunition that is available off-the-shelf. Is this correct?
That is absolutely incorrect. ANY gun manufactured before Jan. 1, 1899 (other than a machinegun or
other NFA category, such as a short-barreled gun) is NOT controlled in any way by Federal law.
There is NO Federal requirement for sales of these guns to be handled by Federally licensed dealers.
They may be freely bought and sold across State lines by private parties, regardless of what cartridge
they are chambered in. (However, State or local laws vary.)
Q: Does sporterizing or re-chambering an antique end its exemption?
A: Sporterizing, re-barreling, or re-chambering an antique gun does not effect its legal status. Thus, I
can legally sell folks Mauser sporters that have been converted to modern cartridges (like .308 Winchester!),
without having to go through the "FFL to FFL" hassle.0
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