6mm Rem.
I have noticed that Rifles (Mostly Model 700's) chambered in 6mm Rem are going for a $$premium$$...well over 243's! I know the 6mm Rem is a great caliber...but now it seems like it is more popular than ever! I am thinking that Remington should consider bringing it back in a light-weight sporter...It's one heck of a deer round! Appreciate any comments...Thanks!!!
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Is this cartridge usually in a LA., or SA. I'm thinking of doing a rebarrel on a 700 rem. THX 0 -
I hadn't noticed that, but I don't think I'd pay more for a rifle just because it's in 6mm as opposed to 243. There's what - 250 fps difference between them? And I have and really like my Remington 700 in 6mm - VLS barreled action in a Rem 40X stock, very accurate and easy to reload. Maybe there's another reason for any pick up in value? 0 -
Hasn't all the manufactures stopped producing rifles in 6MM Rem. That would be my quess as to why the price would be higher. 0 -
Michibay,
"I am thinking that Remington should consider bringing it back in a light-weight sporter...It's one heck of a deer round!"
While many of us agree with your thinking, the general public has made their statement to the opposite and show more of a preference for the .243 Winchester.
The 6mm Remington chamber has been losing popularity since it was released. The introduction of new and more interesting cartridges has taken the wind out of the sails of the traditionally popular, old stand-by cartridges. It's an odd market these days but the manufacturers have no mercy for cartridges and products that don't carry their weight. The bean counters simply drop the ax and they're gone even if the situation was the result of their own internal stupidity.
Cartridges such as the 6mm Remington often see a pendulum effect as far as notoriety and popularity is concerned. We seem to ignore them, forget about them, take them for granted and then as if by a stroke of genius, we rediscover them as being a cartridge worthy of recognition. Then we can't imagine how we've overlooked these great cartridges for so long.
Lack of rifles that support the 6mm Remington will stimulate the buyers market simply due to the lower numbers of rifles in that market. Sometimes just the lack of products in the market will get more folks interested in the rifles chambered for a particular cartridge because they feel like they are missing out on something. So given the limitations of the numbers in the market and the desire to hang onto one of the remaining examples, the cost goes up.
And just to add a little spice to this discussion, one of the better known gunsmiths is releasing a 'new' version of the 6mm Remington for the Tactical guys to use in short actions for longer ranges. I can't say that is has any responsibility for the rising market since using a rifle with the original chamber isn't necessary. But it could be giving a little boost to the recognition of a good cartridge.
Personally, I think you could be served just as well by getting a Mauser action with the intermediate length magazine and put a 6mm Remington barrel on it then go have fun. The magazine length is optimum for this case which will allow for the longer and heavier bullets to get some good use.
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Michibay,
Just shoot your .240 PSP.
It's better.[:)]0 -
Hi Guys...thanks for all the input...NONONSENSE...you are right about the bean counters...they have scuttled the 260 Rem for sure! And AWINDS...what a memory you have! That 722 of mine in 240PSP is quite the rifle! But guess what...I have the dies, but I have not reloaded it...so I am just shooting 6mm's. I have read doing that, one loses some velocity. So last week I found a Model 700 ADL in 6mm...but have not shot it yet. If I ever get out west again...I will load that 240PSP...it should really bang them! Thanks so much folks...this forum keeps this old guy going! 0 -
It was my impression that the 6mm had perhaps only about a 100 fps advantage over the 243 Winchester. Does anyone have a different impression?
Remington still offers the 40X in 6mm, and you can get it in either single shot or with a magazine. However, look at the price!! I have been lusting after one for awhile, but $2000 plus or so is pretty pricey.0 -
For those of you who may be interested regarding the 6mm Remington, I have a story for you:
My friend and I shoot quite a few long range rockchucks here in Idaho. We have a spot where we can actually shoot at chucks out to 700 yards or so, and we use a Leica rangefinder to determine the distance.
My friend has a Ruger M77 (the old version with the tang safety and good trigger) with the stock heavy barrel, that he has had accurized by a good gunsmith here, and he shoots a 70 grain V-Max at about 3500 fps I believe. I recall it is H380, but could be wrong on that. He also has a Leupold Mark 4 type scope on it, and has calibrated the clicks needed for ranges out to 700 yards or so.
We spotted chucks in the field at 654 yards. I spotted for him. First shot, two inches low, second shot, two inches high, third shot, tail in the air dead chuck!! So far, that is the record book with us.
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the 6mm had a flaw,.which was it's twist rate. They were given a slower twist rate for varmint and small game which limited their use with heavy pills. That is where the 243win took over in popularity. It's faster twist allows for heavy pills to be stabilized, and therefore it doubled as a larger game cartridge as well.
Now a 8.5 or 9 twist 6mmrem would be fun fun fun0 -
Actually JustC: The 6mm is a 1:9 twist, it was the old .244 that was a 1:11 (or was it 1:10.5?), and then lost popularity to the .243Win, after two years of manufacturing the .244, Remington then speeded up the twist and re-named it the 6mm, but alas the damage was done and the cartridge could never catch up in popularity. I have a .244 and it is still wicked accurate with the 75-80gr. bullets, will perform adequately at 100-150 yds. with 100gr. Bullet weight has a lot to do with how much faster the .244/6mm is over the .243Win. I can push 100gr. projectiles well over 350fps faster then the .243, but without the faster twist I'm just punching holes in the wild-blue yonder somewhere. I think a Kreiger barrel is in my future someday, but until then it is a great varmint rifle the way it sits. 0 -
hindsight is 20/20,..but by the time they rectified the error, it was too late. I would want an 8 twist tube so I could run the longest pills available. 0 -
norgexxx,
Actually, according to the history of cartridges, the original .244 Rem. used a 1:12" twist while the original .243 Win. was released with a 1:10" twist.
When Remington finally grasp their error, they started using the 1:9" twist rate. They also started loading factory ammunition with the heavier bullets in order to compete with Winchester.
This is a list I often refer to for changes:
243 Winchester - 1 in 9" . . . . . . .Remington 660, 700, 788 (1969);
243 Winchester - 1 in 9 1/8" . . .Remington 700, 7400, 7600, 7;
243 Winchester - 1 in 9 1/4" . . .Savage (present)
243 Winchester - 1 in 10" Browning; Colt; FN; Harrington and Richardson models 300, 308, 360; Husqvarna; Mannlicher Schoenauer; Musketeer; Mossberg 800; Remington 700, 40-XB; Savage 99, 110, 111, 112-V, 116 (old); Sako Bolt and Lever Actions; Schultz and Larsen; Stevens 110; Winchester 70, 88,100,670,770; J.C. Higgins 51-L; Ruger #1, 77; Wichita;Weatherby Vanguard; Thompson/Center Rifle
243 Winchester - 1 in 12" . . . . .Steyr SSG-PII
244 Remington - 1 in 10" . . . . . .Remington 700
244 Remington - 1 in 12" . . . . . .Remington 722, 760, 740, 725, 40-XB; Sako
6mm Remington - 1 in 9" . . . . . .Remington 600, 700, 742, 760, 660; Browning B-78; Ruger
6mm Remington - 1 in 9" . . . . . .Remington 700, 4, 6, 7, 7400,7600
6mm Remington - 1 in 10" . . . . .Remington 40-XB; Schultz and Larsen;
Ruger 1, 77; Browning
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