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Romanian Tokarev

brtymj
i am thinking of getting a romanian tokarev pistol. Are these pistols any good?

is the 7.62x25 as good as they say it is? does it really penetrate most types of low class armor?
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  • v35
    Yes, go for it.
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  • Wehrmacht_45
    It is a good penetrator, but it is not a good cartridge for putting a person down fast.

    The Romy guns are ok. They tend to be rougher than the earlier Polish imports.


    I have a Chinese Norinco that has been a fun gun. I have the 9mm and 7.62 tok barrels for it.
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  • beantownshootah
    The Tokarev is basically a simplified 1911.

    Given that its a $200 gun, they're not bad, and I'd rather have one of these than most any new pistol in that price range.

    IMO, the best thing about these is the (for now) cheap ammo, making this probably the last of the under $0.15 a round surplus centerfire cartridges. (These were significantly under $0.10 a round not too long ago).

    As you say, the 7.62x25 round will penetrate light armor, as will many rounds that push a light bullet pretty fast (eg .22 magnum). But whose armor are you trying to pierce anyway?

    For most shooters, armor piercing is a liability not an asset, since it increases risk of damage to bystanders, etc.

    In terms of terminal ballistics, I think the "devastating" power of the 7.62x25 is best appreciated in the context of the early 1930s when this round was introduced. At that time, there was no .357 magnum. . .certainly not in Asia, and this really probably was one of the most powerful handgun cartridges around.

    While I certainly wouldn't want to get shot with one, I think practically speaking, the more common modern centerfire cartridges (eg 9mm, 40SW, and up) are better defense rounds with good ammo.

    If you check the ballistics, the Tokarev will push a 85 grain bullet at around 1600 fps.

    That's fairly hot for a light bullet, but as a point of comparison, the 9mm Corbon 90 grain bullets are supposed to get 1500 fps, only they make a bigger hole.

    If you compare to what might be termed the "modern" Tokarev round. . .the bottlenecked 357 SIG, that round will put out a wider, and much heavier 9mm 125 grain bullet at 1400 fps.
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  • PEZHEAD265
    Hi I'm new to this could you reload that round with a 110 soft point or hollow point from a 30 carbine??If so that would be a wicked little number.
    PEZHEAD265
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  • Sage
    +1 What beantownshootah said. I've had one for a few years, real pleased with it.
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  • v35
    Note the punchmarks around military ammo necks. They add to the security of the bullet in a very short neck. Without them the bullets
    could loosen and move in rough handling, feeding and during recoil in a magazine.
    I have a 357 Sig, also with a short neck, where bullets in factory ammo move back into the case during feeding and shooting this Keltek P11 conversion.
    I haven't reloaded either yet but when I do the bullets will have a crimping groove or a cannelure (sp)to hold bullets more securely.
    Check Hornady XTP bullets also 110 gr half jackets.
    I've loaded both in 30 Luger.
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  • Bamavol
    Hollow point ammo is available if not common. So, target shoot mil ammo and load HP for defense.
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  • machine gun moran
    Russian WW2-related websites seem to have most of the information on the combat effectiveness of the Tokarev. On another thread I posted what I had found so far: Anecdotes where six Germans were downed by the 7.62x25, with one shot apiece. One German survived, who was knocked out for several minutes by a hit in the left lung. One of the incidents involved a SMG, from which only one shot was fired. I'll find more accounts, but it will take time.
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