Long eye relief for Mosin 91/30
I'm planning on getting the rail to replace the rear sight and am looking for scopes with the most magnification. So far I've found pistol scopes with a 2x7x32 being the largest. Just not enough scope for 600 yards. Does anyone know of a larger long eye relief scope? Thanks, X
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The problem with long eye relief (pistol) scopes is that they have extremely narrow fields of view, far narrower than ordinary scopes.
That's one of the main reasons why you'll rarely see one more powerful than 7x. There are other reasons (eg lack of practical use for most shooters and difficulty achieving long eye relief at high magnfication, etc).
If you HAVE to shoot your Mosin at 600 yards, there are ways to put in a standard scope mount off the side of the frame. This will be more costly than the long-eye relief method, but the result will be a lot better.0 -
I'd say have the bolt handle bent down to accommodate a riflescope, then have the action drilled and tapped and have a traditional scope base installed. Or just get another rifle more suitable for what you want.
2-7x32 should be plenty for 600yards, I shoot it open sighted....0 -
quote:Originally posted by leeblackman
I'd say have the bolt handle bent down to accommodate a riflescope, then have the action drilled and tapped and have a traditional scope base installed. Or just get another rifle more suitable for what you want.
2-7x32 should be plenty for 600yards, I shoot it open sighted....
I actually agree with that. Given the constraints of most Mosin rifles and surplus ammo, 7x is probably plenty for shooting things at 600 yards, if the shooter does their part.
Simho Hayya, the famous Finn sniper, managed multiple kill shots on Russians at 400 yards with his Mosin Nagant. . .with iron sights!
One problem with the above, is that the split receiver design of the Mosin can make installing a standard scope base difficult.
To get around this, some people mount a "riser" type base to the left side of the receiver with it coming up over the receiver at 90 degrees. Again, you have to drill and tap the receiver, plus you'll have to relieve some stock wood away from the side of the receiver to mount the scope. This is how the Mosin "Sniper" scopes are attached, for example. Downside here, is that with a scope over the receiver you can't load the gun with stripper clips anymore. You have to load one round at a time.
There are other ways that could work too.
And yes, with any standard scope placement on a Mosin, you ALSO have to have the bolt handle bent downwards, otherwise, the scope over the receiver will prevent you from cycling the bolt.
As to buying another gun that's more suitable for scoping, when all is said and done, that may end up being easier, but then you don't get the advantage of the Mosin's relatively cheap surplus ammo.0 -
quote:Originally posted by leeblackman
I'd say have the bolt handle bent down to accommodate a riflescope, then have the action drilled and tapped and have a traditional scope base installed. Or just get another rifle more suitable for what you want.
2-7x32 should be plenty for 600yards, I shoot it open sighted....
Just bending it wouldn't be sufficient, it also has to be lengthened. There was someone who sold bolts or would modify your bolt. Looking for the information now.0 -
I'll give the 7x a try and see how it works out. I still see 20-20 but severe middle age has set in and focusing/clear vision isn't what it used to be. I seem to be scoping most of my rifles these days. Thanks guys. X 0 -
quote:Originally posted by xstuntman
I'll give the 7x a try and see how it works out. I still see 20-20 but severe middle age has set in and focusing/clear vision isn't what it used to be. I seem to be scoping most of my rifles these days. Thanks guys. X
Shooting *anything* at 600 yards is going to be challenging.
Assuming a 200 yard zero, holdover at that distance is going to measure over 6 feet with ordinary "light ball" ammo.
On bolts, so long as it is bent to clear your scope, you don't absolutely *have* to lengthen the bolt, but the stock short bolt on Mosin Nagants doesn't give a lot of leverage, making it pretty stiff to open and operate.
So if you are already going to the expense and trouble of bending it down to create a "shooter" (destroying the gun's collector value in the process), you might as well ALSO lengthen the bolt to address the poor mechanical advantage issue.
Likewise, while you are bending it down and lengthening it, you might as well *ALSO* have it bent back towards your shooting hand too, because the Mosin bolts are pretty far forward, making them awkward to operate from the shoulder. Again, you may need to relieve some wood from the stock to allow clearance here.
This guy is supposedly the best when it comes to having the work done, and at around $50 his cost is pretty reasonable:
http://www.angelfire.com/gundam/boltman/bolt_work/0 -
NC Star makes a reasonably priced long eye relief scope for rifles that goes up to (if I remember properly) X9 magnification. I have mixed feelings about NC Star. The spotting scope I got from them is top notch, and I can see bullet holes clearly at 300 yards. Their red dot handgun scope is just one step above junk. The long eye relief scope I got for my Mosin is somewhere in between. But for a gun that cost me $70, a $75 scope seemed luxurious by comparison. I CAN say it holds its zero once I got the mount itself in place, but the parallax and quality of the optics aren't anything superb. But for out to 300 yards they do their job. 0
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