Tokarev TT VS 213
I just purchased a Tokarev 213 chambered for 9mm, i was originally looking for a TT-33 chambered in 7.62 but decided on the 213 because of how much 9mm i had laying around. What are the differences between the two? Did I buy the wrong one??
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The TT 33 is the Russian made, original military Tokarev pistol. They were made from the 1930's to the late 1940's. I believe that the 213 is a Chinese produced commercial pistol, that were imported and sold here in the 1990's.
Original TT 33's in good shape are big buck collectors items, for military handgun collectors.
The Chinese commercial Tokarevs sell for less then $200, whereas a original TT 33 would have a value up to 3 times that to a military handgun collector.0 -
At one time I had a Norinco TU 90 that came with both 7.62 and 9mm barrels. 0 -
Yeah i paid $200 for the 213(which looks new), 4 magazines and a Leather WW2 era Holster. I'm glad I didn't pursue the tt-33 then, don't have alot of cash, at least not for anything Russian:) Do you know if the 213's were produced in the 1990's or just imported then?? 0 -
Conversion to 7.62x25 is easy.
You need to buy a barrel, barrel bushing and a magazine. Also, the firing pin on the 213 needs to be lengthened to an overall length of 2.120" by welding in order to fire the hard primed surplus 7.62 ammo or hard primed 9mm+P. This is because the Chinese shortened these 213 firing pins to get the inertia effect but it didn't work very well and you get light strikes even on standard primers.
Firing pins on 9mms should be built up to TT33 length even if you keep it as a 9mm for positive ignition.
You can measure your firing pin length with a caliper without removing it from the slide.
The slide ejection port needs to be extended forward with a Dremel and the ejector has to be cut back to allow for ejection of the longer cartridge.
The magazine spacer changes easily by pushing out the pin under the grips.
The pistol can then be used for either round.
I have a couple of Polish TT33s dated 1953 so they were made up to at least that time by Radom in Poland.0 -
I'll probably stick with 9mm unless I find a decent cz52 at a good price and a bunch of ammo to go along.
v35: Have you had any issues with hot ammo in TT's? I've heard stories of surplus PPsh Ammo causing problems and was told to go with a CZ52 because they can handle the pressure better.0 -
That's an urban legend except possibly for a certain lot number of Bulgarian ammo having a particular headstamp. You can find that article by reasearching Tokarev on Google.
The TT33 has been demonstrated to be seriously stronger than the CZ52.
Norinco has sold this model with an extra barrel for the 38 Super. I have one but haven't shot it yet.
I have fired 9mm+P, 124 gr German L7A1 NATO ammo through it. That clocks 1308 fps. Rumanian 1980s 7.62 clocks 1472.
I've shot a lot of Rumanian 7.62x25 in a converted 213 and in Polish TT33s without a problem. Don't buy '50s ammo because cases split.
The sides of the CZ chamber wall are machined thin to engage the roller locking lugs and that's their weak spot.0 -
What can i expect to pay for a Polish TT?? 0 -
My Polish TT33s cost $200 each allegedly new about two years ago. They had slightly frosted barrels from corrosive ammo. These guns are very desirable among Tokarevs because of better internal and external finish machining. Prices are are at least $50 more now.
Polish guns and maybe other eastern Bloc nations' guns don't have chromed bores but Chinese replacement barrels will fit.
I saw video of Polish TTs being destroyed in large quantities which may account for their relative rarity.
While I don't have any issue with the Chinese safety, the Polish add on safety is better located.0 -
Well $250-ish still isn't bad, I'll have to keep my eyes peeled for one then, can't hurt having both. 0 -
Hello "DrGonzo11"[:)]
I two tokarevs that have been modified by a gunsmith, as an example - they both now have stainless steel guide rod, and the firing pins are of the appropriate length. I have barrels so that I can use 9mm, 7.62 and 38 super.
As an aside, I wish V35 would sell me his extra 38 super barrel.
7.62 is OK - but there is a greater choice of ammo in the 9mm and 38 super.
Shoot and enjoy your Tokarev.
Best Regards[:)]
AQH0
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