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remington rand 1911A1

marcus396
is it possible that a 1911A1 could be re-worked at an arsenal without the arsenal stamped marked on right side on slide? a dealer tried to tell me that since the cross cannons acceptace stamp was faded, it was an arsenal rebuild, and I told him quite a few rands had partially stuck arsenal stamps, i got home disassembled found HS bbl, and S ( scovill mfg) magazine but top of frame was stamped G for a fill of a govt contract, which was stamped before finish, but on front frame below trigger housing stamped NA CO, with a # 51510 after it, he said it was shooter and only worth 450, then a different dealer looked at it , and only said partially re parkerized and said no less than 1450, thanks for any advise, can post pics if needed. its a early 1945., ser 2221xxx, rand frame,
slide, and rand markings, but running into problems identifying checkering, no ribbed slide lock and rear mainspring housing, everything is fine checkering.P1010015.jpg
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  • marcus396
    Hi all,

    Picked up a Remington Rand last week. The gun is in about 98% condition except that the mainspring housing is flat instead of arched with grooves like it is supposed to be. Any ideas why somebody would replace it and how do you think it would affect the guns value.

    Thanks in advance!

    vp
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  • CapnMidnight
    Marcus,
    We'll have to have pictures. Perry Shooter is among our most informed 1911 experts, and should be along shortly with informed answers. I carried a Remington Rand 1911 during my tour in Viet Nam, and have always had a soft spot for them since.
    W.D.
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  • perry shooter
    Hello Marcus . The good Capt might have stretched my knowledge of 1911A 1's I do have a warm spot in my heart for them. It is very hard with out a hands on to tell for sure what you have . Good closeup pictures are the next best thing . If you have trouble posting pictures on the forum side "like I do " you can send me pictures to karlwoerner@vatractor.com . "PRAISE THE HARD-BALL GUN"

    Edit I see the thumbnail picture but what we need is a full screen picture up close "less then 6 inches away" as close as 2 inches if your camera has macro that will allow this close. of each and every letter proof mark etc also with slide off any marks on the top surface of frame near the disconnector hole as well as any marks on the barrel chamber and bottom locking lugs. also the roll stamp of the letters on the slide there are at least 3 types of roll marks on Rem Rand slides this will help us know if the slide is the right vintage for the frame also need closeup of checkering of safety, main spring housing,and slide stop pin . Like I stated before a hands on is the best but think of your pictures as us seeing the pistol from 6 inches away with a magnifying glass. lighting is important to see if parkerizing is before or after some of the markings.
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  • MOONED
    Perry- By the description given on the previous post, you are knowledgeable in the area of 1911's. My Ithaca 1911 does not have "US Property" on the right side of the frame or "M1911 A1 US ARMY". Why is that?
    There is another Ithaca on a current auction that appears the same way. Auction #123955786 .
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  • perry shooter
    Hello mooned I would venture to say that the pistol Item #123955786 was a US PROPERTY pistol that had this marking removed GROUND DOWN /FILED off in an attempt to hid the fact that it was most likely taken by a GI as a war trophy then it was sand blasted /bead blasted and then refinished . not a high value gun but could be a shooter.
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  • nmyers
    I'm with Perry Shooter; without more (high quality) photos, we really can't tell you much more.

    In general, arsenal rebuild stamps were applied on either side of the FRAME, not the slide. And, a pistol may have been rebuilt & not stamped. Or, it may have an arsenal stamp applied just to show it was inspected, but may have had no work done to it. Finally, a pistol may have been through any combination, any number of times.

    You are correct, the crossed cannons stamp is often shallow &/or partial impression. High Standard supplied replacement barrels as well as OEM barrels, so that is not definitive. The mag is correct for a WW2 contract mag, but may or may not be original to your gun.

    Often I can quickly tell if a finish is original or not by looking at the inspectors initials on the left side of the frame with a jewelers loupe, a 10x magnifier. This was always applied after finishing, & you will always see burnishing (bright metal) somewhere in the depressions of the letters. When refinished, the burnishing is always completely parked.

    Also look at the grip screw bushing stake marks inside the mag well for similar burnishing.

    Neal
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