30 newton help
hello
hope to post pics this is my first attempt with digital pics.
the barrel says Newton Arms Co. Inc. next line 0-0 Buffalo. N.Y. 0-0 below that 30 Newton. where it goes into the action it says patents pending. the receiver is marked U.S. Springfield Armory Model 1903 713028 also on the frame on the left side near the stock is NA. CO. Redfield peep sights on the rear and redfield engraved front sight. 24" barrel.
does anybody no what it is worth or how many were produced. i think it is a kit but i am not sure.
thanks
hope to post pics this is my first attempt with digital pics.
the barrel says Newton Arms Co. Inc. next line 0-0 Buffalo. N.Y. 0-0 below that 30 Newton. where it goes into the action it says patents pending. the receiver is marked U.S. Springfield Armory Model 1903 713028 also on the frame on the left side near the stock is NA. CO. Redfield peep sights on the rear and redfield engraved front sight. 24" barrel.
does anybody no what it is worth or how many were produced. i think it is a kit but i am not sure.
thanks
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I don't know the dollar value, but as I recall, when Mr Newton started up in business he could not get Magnum Mauser actions due to World War I. He eventually came out with his own rifles but to get started, he offered conversions on Springfields. I did not know he sold them for .30 Newton, all I had seen were .256 Newtons. I do not know how many were made.
Caution: That is a "low number" (case hardened, single heat treated) Springfield action. Some people do not consider them safe to shoot even in .30-06. I doubt anybody would convert one to a magnum these days.0 -
Wow Hawk,
I believe I've seen a grand total of three Newton rifles including the one I own (.256) and I've never seen a kit gun! I read that Newton imported Mauser actions for his rifles when he first started out. Ever seen one of those? Like you, I'd be a little nervious about that low number action. My sources indicate DOM of 1917 which would have been about the time they started to hurry up production for WWI and that might make it even more suspect.
Frisky; Can you post a picture of the "NA CO." marking? If that's on the action and stands for Newton Arms Co., it seems quite likely they were the ones to origionally put the rifle together. The rifle should have some collector interest, though, if only as a wall hanger. The stock looks to be a bit more contemporary than the rest of the rifle--I'm guessing Fajen?
I checked "The Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions" and it says you can make cases out of 8x68S brass. (How easy is THAT to get?!)0 -
Mr. maddog,
click on 'www.cornellpubs.com/Templates/Newton%20Arms-1915.htm'
If it were my gun, I would buy the book to go with! The catalog has a chapter on "steel of the bolt & action" that might be of interest.
Also if you google "newton arms buffalo" you will find a wealth if info.
As for value, it is so seldom we see a genuine Newton made rifle it is hard to establish a set market price. Auction is the ultimate way to find out how much $$$ an item will bring.
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I have seen and handled newton rifles, 256, and also springfield and mauser action rifles in 256, 30 and 35 newton. Not all were made by newton arms though. 0 -
My WAG given the Fajen? stock and Redfield sights that it was something assembled in the Post W W II era, long after the demise of Newton and his rifles, i.e. 1920's at the latest.
Given the obscurity and lack of availability of the 30 Newton, I would do a chamber cast to verify what specific cartridge, the rifle is chambered for.
Unless you have a way to specifically tie this rifle to Newton other then the barrel, don't see it having any great collectors value. Appears to be something a hobbyist put together, long after Newton.0 -
The NEWTON rifles I have had all used the same type of rifling as a GLOCK pistol now has If you look in the bore of your rifle and it looks like standard lands and grooves then it may be a springfield barrel that was rechambered to 30 NEWTON. 0 -
That's not a kit-gun , The Newton barrels had the same threads as the 1903 and it's not uncommon to find a Newton barrel in a 1903 action. Newton made both parabolic and standard rifling. The stock and sights are post 1945. 0 -
second image has the NA. CO. hard to see but there i am still learning how to use the digital camera.
I have never shot it but did a chamber cast when i bought it and it is a 30 newton. i even had some brass made for it but never reloaded any yet. the dies came with the rifle when i bought it. i have not even taken the stock off of it. i just relized that it has not been shot much at least in this stock because when i opened up the bolt i noticed that if you go all the way open it will hit on the stock. luckily it looks like that has never happened to this stock yet. does anyone no what stock is the correct stock for this?0 -
There is no correct stock for the rifle. What you see is what was put together at one time most likely post WWII. It's a 1903 Springfield action, a Newton barrel, a aftermarket stock and some sights. It's the sum total of the parts, all made for something else. 0
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