Opinions on Hi-Point Pistols
I am looking for some inexpensive Pistols that are effective. What is the reputation of Hi-Points? I'd like to spend $200-300ish.
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First off, whats the top of your price range? Use the edit button to put it in your original post.
EDIT#1, guys instead of filling this up with posts knocking the hi point, lets be useful and point out other pistols that are better, but in the same price range[?]
Mods, feel free to delete my reply to save space. Just tryin to get this thread pointed the right way.0 -
hi points are junk. You get what you pay for in firearms. 0 -
Hi-Point pistols are fine, if you're in the market for a marginal boat anchor, or are a fan of the word "stovepipe". 0 -
200s-300s. Looking at the 45ACP. One friend tells me they are good if you adjust the sight. How are they at 20 yards? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by hxm1982
200s-300s. Looking at the 45ACP. One friend tells me they are good if you adjust the sight. How are they at 20 yards?
Pattern a shotgun, with buckshot, at 20 yards, and you'll get a similar result.0 -
Strong and honest opinion. So they jam (stovepipe) a lot? 0 -
In my experience, they won't even feed FMJ's reliably, let alone extracting and ejecting a case without damaging it beyond reuse. Your mileage my vary, but I avoid them like the plague. 0 -
These Hi-Point guns are overpriced pieces of crap. Don't even consider them. If you do get one, save some time, stress and uncertainty and slash your own wrists before going into battle, where the Hi-Point is sure to fail and you will most certainly get shot by the bad guy or he takes this door-stop away from you and beats you to death with it.
If you want a cheap gun that shoots first time, every time, buy a new or used Russian (or its Eastern Bloc or Chinese clone) Makarov (Mah-Care'-Off) semi-auto pistol. Made of steel, not pot metal and shoots (depending on its chambering) the .380 acp (a.k.a. 9mm Kurz) or the Russian 9x18mm round (a.k.a. 9mm Russian). The two chamberings are roughly the same but NOT (repeat) NOT interchangeable. However the magazines ARE interchangeable between the .380 and 9x18mm. You ahould be able to pick one of these guns up for $250 or so.
While certainly not a .45acp, the Makarov will reset the clock on any bad guy that gets in the way of it. Don't expect pre-1960 S&W fit, finish, etc. They will, however shoot, shoot, shoot reliably. Look for the Russian 7.62x18mm ammo fairly reasonably via mail order. WalMart should have the .380 ammo.
Good guns, but don't mess with trying to "tune" them up and don't buy one that's been worked over. The guns are a very general copy of the German Walther, but have some unique internal design features. They were THE russian military sidearm and most you'll see here in the US have an adjustable rear sight to collect enough "points" to be importable. They were quite rare in the US until the disintegration of the Soviet Union. Supposedly the East German version are the best ones as far as fit and finish (my two are Russian). If yours comes with the original plastic grips, take them off and replace with a pair of rubber Pearce-brand grips (~$20). Be careful about tightening down the one grip screw, as it will impinge on the magazine if you do.0 -
Ugly, but better than Jiminez/Jennings or the like.
I'd also go with a Makarov or PA63 or a Tokarev for your price range.
If .45 is a must, a Rock Island would set you back around $400 for a base model if you shop around. Cheap, but at least it is steel and reliable with FMJs or with anything if you have the feed ramp worked on.0 -
Look thru the auctions . something like this will never let you down..http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=201196421
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Dont belive all this BS......ITS BS PLAIN AND SIMPLE....
does anyone bitching about a Hi-point own one????? Didnt think so....
Here's the truth...... They DONT explode!!! DONT jamb....or stovepipe...and WILL hit what you aim at!!!
people who bitch about them do so because they cant handle the fact that they will do all the same things as their $1200 kimber, and sometimes better!!!
I own both, the hipoint works just fine. The kimber works fine too!
The difference is I shot the hipoint a lot more, the kimber stays in the safe cause its too damn expensive to chance beating it up by carrying it daily!
And IF the hipoint breaks...send it back and they fix it FREE!! their service is the best...bar none!!!!
That said, they are ugly!!!! but they work!!!
Buy one and have fun!!!0 -
No, I DON"T own a Hi-Point. I work at a range, and see just about everything handgun-wise you would care to mention from Lilliput's to 500 Smiths. I have had quite a number of Hi-Points, Jennings, Bryco's and the like pass through my hands from customers who are having issues with them. In my experience, they are NOT good pistols (Hi-points) and I WOULD NOT trust my life to them. I will go to the other side of the arguement, and state that if you have no choice in your price range (and I believe there have been stated here a few examples of such guns...Makarov's, PS-63's and the like), then it beats the HELL out of throwing rocks, and if it jams, at least you have a bludgeon to hand.
Thank you Mooseyard...well put. It has always baffled me as well that people always speak of their High-Points having excellent customer service. Granted, I would have a hell of a time getting ahold of Ernst Thaelmann to repair my E. German Makarov; thing is, it has digested thousands of rounds of ammo ranging in qualiy from Hornady XTP's to God knows what steel cased Chinese stuff and HAS NEVER FAILED IN ANY WAY. You can't fight with a gun that doesn't work, plain and simple. If it is purely range work? Perhaps a High-Point would be doable for you...don't have to worry about paper shooting back!
This is an arguement that has been going on on this forum for many years...the "Elitist Snobs" vs. the "Pragmatists". Well, my assumption is that those espousing the virtues of Hi-Points have never been in a firefight with one, and by their comments, I would also assume perhaps they must have the best-made Hi=Point in existance. My opinions are just that...opinions. They are, howver, well thought out, realistic and based on real world experience with a WIDE variety of handguns. You want something that goes bang every time? Buy the aformentioned MAkarov, PA-63 or other SA/DA com-bloc gun. I have a few Makarovs, and regardless of ammo, HP, FMJ, step jacket or whatever, they are ammo-eating little piggies! Never jam, never fail to eject...just rugged and reliable AND made of good steel so they WILL make a nice bludgeon in the end as well as being long lived!
Raced Go-Karts growing up and had another kid's Dad complain about the money we spent on our equipment. We built our own motors, raced a locally produced frame etc...we were pretty self reliant. All the guy could really find to complain about in the end was my helmet. Ignorant Redneck to my Dad..."your kid has a $300 helmet for God's sake! All you guys do is throw money at this stuff! My Son has a $50 helmet we got at K-mart and it works just fine!". My Dad to said ignorant Redneck..."That's fine, Dick, your kid has a $50 head, put it in a $50 helmet...my Boy has a pretty impressive brain up there, I think I'll spend whatever I can to make sure it stays where it is". Never had much trouble with Dick after that. He found it kinda' tough to explain to his wife who had just overheard the entire exchange. Again, if we are talking about carry/self-defense, I'm putting my faith in the tried ,proven weapon as opossed to one I just can't trust.0 -
not my gun of choice but a customer wanted a couple so i ordered them..still waiting for them to have a problem,,,they have been shoot them for a while now??? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by us55840
Regardless of brand or caliber, ANYTHING made by man can malfunction because man is not infallible. [;)]
Thanks for the comment that has nothing to do with the OP's question.
The Hi-Point is not a quality gun, and should be avoided. You will spend the money on the HiPoint and then 6 months down the road, be upset with the performance (or lack of) and you will need to purchase something else. A used HiPoint will bring less than it's weight in scrap metal price. Plenty of used S&W's and even older Glocks in or near your price range. I have never owned a Hi Point, but I've shot a few and I've helped guys at the range fix theirs. I ran a pistol course a few weeks ago and a guy showed up with a HiPoint. He could not get a complete magazine to fire without a malfunction. He needed to borrow a gun to finish the course.
You will also notice that most people that talk highly of HiPoints, brag about the warranty service. From everything I hear they have could service, but their customers also need to use it. I would rather have a gun with no warranty that doesn't need repair, than a gun with an awesome warranty that always has to be repaired.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mooseyard
quote:Originally posted by us55840
Regardless of brand or caliber, ANYTHING made by man can malfunction because man is not infallible. [;)]
Thanks for the comment that has nothing to do with the OP's question.
The Hi-Point is not a quality gun, and should be avoided. You will spend the money on the HiPoint and then 6 months down the road, be upset with the performance (or lack of) and you will need to purchase something else. A used HiPoint will bring less than it's weight in scrap metal price. Plenty of used S&W's and even older Glocks in or near your price range. I have never owned a Hi Point, but I've shot a few and I've helped guys at the range fix theirs. I ran a pistol course a few weeks ago and a guy showed up with a HiPoint. He could not get a complete magazine to fire without a malfunction. He needed to borrow a gun to finish the course.
You will also notice that most people that talk highly of HiPoints, brag about the warranty service. From everything I hear they have could service, but their customers also need to use it. I would rather have a gun with no warranty that doesn't need repair, than a gun with an awesome warranty that always has to be repaired.
I had to use their service ONCE, I broke it, my fault, it was fixed for free and no problems since! Returned in 3 days to boot!!!
I would also like to point out that they are %100 USA made, not chi-com or eastern bloc crap!
No, I havent been in a firefight with one, but not affraid to either!
IT WORKS, with any ammo, weather it is clean or dirty.
My kimber has misfired, the Hi=point never has!
My Baby eagle has stovepiped, the Hi-point hasnt!
My springfield 1911 has jamed, the Hi-point hasnt, not once in around 3000 rounds!!!
Had a makarov, to hard to find ammo for, but it did work, Ill give it that!
My glock, I not going there! POS!!!!
The hi-point is reliable as my revolvers!
The guy at your range who had a bad Hi-point, Ihope he sent it back for repair, they will fix it!!!
Any maker has a few problems.0
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