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  • tjh427
    Just answered my own question. It is on the illegal list. Bummer.
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  • tsr1965
    The 445 Super Mag is 1.61 " in length, and is legal for rifle use. The 460 S&W is based on the same length as the 500 S&W, and should also be legal. The 444 Marlin is well over 2 inches in length, and not legal.

    Basically, it is boiling down to, if you want a standard repeater, you need a lever gun in 357, 41(fast becoming one of my favorates), or a 44 Magnum, or something in 45 Colt. A bolt action relegates you to a 44 Magnum, unless you want to create a custom job. There is the option of a single shot too, and a T/C Encore can be made in just about any caliber.


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    EDIT 1

    I stand corrected. The 460 S&W case is in fact 1.8" in length, where as the 500 S&W is 1.625" in length. However, it should be no problem for a reloader to shorten the 460S&W case, and seat the bullet out further.

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  • SCOUT5
    .460 S&W is to long

    Check this forum out:

    {Elsewhere}

    They have all the scoop you are looking for.
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  • rsnyder55
    From the link on your previous post, it appears shotguns are legal. Why not just buy a new barrel (if necessary) if you already have a shotgun?

    I find it interesting that the law allows 458 SOCOM which is not a pistol round (at least not yet), and it allows the 500S&W and not the 460S&W.
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  • tjh427
    I saw a couple of sites that listed the case length for the 444 Marlin as 1.590" so I thought it would be just about perfect. But it's on the illegal list.
    I'll probably wait and see what happens for next year before I buy another rifle. I use a 50 cal muzzleloader which shoots great but I hate cleaning it after every shot and my son will be using a 12 gauge but to get any sort of accuracy we use Hornady SST's and it kicks like a mule so the rifle idea sure sounds like something worth looking into.
    I'll have to check out the IN Gun Owner site.
    Thanks everybody!
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  • wild bunch guy
    Indiana DNR officer told me they are supposed to be getting some type of go, no-go guages to make sure the caliber is legal.
    WBG
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  • dfletcher
    In addition, aren't the cases supposed to be "straight walled"? I suppose that term was used to eliminate obviously bottle necked cartridges, but aren't calibers like 38/40 and 44/40 tapered or at the least, not dimensionally "straight walled"?
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  • Emmett Dunham
    All they need is a caliper to measure the over all length of the round and they got you. They want you to shoot 41, 44 and 357 size cartridge. I can't blame them for trying to keep the power down the way the country is in some parts of the state you can fire a rifle and never hit anything until the round peters out. There is plenty to work with in these three rounds and you can build some hot loads that will get game. The problem is that people think that if they get the biggest and best that it is better and I think that is not always true. Look at all of the old sporterized rifle that shot military style ammo, found their best load for it and could take any of the North American game. Now people buy rifles so powerful that they jar your bones, it does not mean that they are going to take more game and it is more the hot new caliber rifle they are using that they can talk about.



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  • tsr1965
    quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
    In addition, aren't the cases supposed to be "straight walled"? I suppose that term was used to eliminate obviously bottle necked cartridges, but aren't calibers like 38/40 and 44/40 tapered or at the least, not dimensionally "straight walled"?


    If you click on the link I gave in the first thread for the Indiana game laws, no it does not have to be straight walled. Minimum of 35 caliber, minimum of 1.16" case length, and maximum case length of 1.625". There is a guy building uppers for the AR-15 that are chambered in the WSSM case, slightly shortened, and necked up to .358" diameter.

    Emmett,

    It is not the length of the whole round that counts. It is just the case length, and it has to be a minimum of 35 caliber.

    tjh427,

    The 444 Marlin case is over 2 inches long. The Indiana game law, specifically states that the 444 Marlin is one of the examples of an illegal round for rifles.

    Common fella's, the link to the game laws is on the first thread, and they do give you an outlined box to think inside of.

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  • 1KYDSTR
    Here is a fun (albeit pricey ) option for you. I talked to the guy who owns Montana Armory last June and he has designed a new lever gun in 500 Smith. Got to handle one of them and what a neat design, and it seems to be very well thought out. So there IS a rifle in 500 Smith to check out!
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  • tjh427
    quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
    quote:Originally posted by dfletcher
    In addition, aren't the cases supposed to be "straight walled"? I suppose that term was used to eliminate obviously bottle necked cartridges, but aren't calibers like 38/40 and 44/40 tapered or at the least, not dimensionally "straight walled"?


    If you click on the link I gave in the first thread for the Indiana game laws, no it does not have to be straight walled. Minimum of 35 caliber, minimum of 1.16" case length, and maximum case length of 1.625". There is a guy building uppers for the AR-15 that are chambered in the WSSM case, slightly shortened, and necked up to .358" diameter.

    Emmett,

    It is not the length of the whole round that counts. It is just the case length, and it has to be a minimum of 35 caliber.

    tjh427,

    The 444 Marlin case is over 2 inches long. The Indiana game law, specifically states that the 444 Marlin is one of the examples of an illegal round for rifles.

    Common fella's, the link to the game laws is on the first thread, and they do give you an outlined box to think inside of.

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    I wasn't disagreeing that the 444 Marlin case length is over 1.625" just explaining that I saw the incorrect specs on the net and didn't see it on the first can't use list I looked at which is why I was looking into the 444. As much as I'd like to carry a multi round rifle I'll stick with my .50 cal and 12 g. Both have tons of punch and both are consistant out to 150 as long as they're clean. It only takes one shot anyway right?
    Thanks for all the help!
    TJ
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