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I have a basement full of guns that my mother took pictures of. We need some help figuring out just what it is we have. I know the pictures are not that good. I think this is a Japanese weapon. I am going to get the rest of the pictures into a web site so they can be browsed there. Any help is greatly appreciated. 0 -
It is a Japanese service rifle, either a type 38 or a type 99. The easiest way to differentiate is by caliber. The type 38 was a 6.5, the 99 was a 7.7. The muzzle of the former will be a bit over a quarter inch, the muzzle of the latter will be a bit over 5/16. In case you're not familiar, someone has butchered the service stock so the gun would be lighter and look more like a sporting rifle.
The Arisakas were typically somewhat crudely finished but are known to be among the strongest of the ww1&2 era battle rifles. They are loosely based on the Mauser model 1893. Ammunition is available.
The muzzle could be counterbored which means drilled to a larger size, so the muzzle will not indicate the caliber or type unless it is the same size as the bore.0 -
Anything about it would be great. Is it for sure an Arisaka?
The only markings are the letter Y, a T type shape with the upper line slanted up to the right, and the number 34. The number 34 appears on several places on the gun. That's it. I found it in my father-in-law's attic before he passed away. He had no idea what it was or where it came from.0 -
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There's no mistaking an Arisaka for anything else. The only rifle they are even similar to are the anti-comintern pact rifles which Japan shipped to Italy. They look just like your Arisaka except for having a Carcano-style magazine.
I don't know what they are worth, but now that you know what it is, you can search gunbroker and see how the market is for them. Don't get your hopes up too high; thousands of them came home with US servicemen. My guess would be $100 in sporterized, rusty condition with missing front sight. EDIT: then again, the bent-down bolt handle suggests you may have a sniper variant (the bolt is bent down so it doesn't hit the scope), although a US gunsmith could also have done the work. Also, many of these rifles, especially the 6.5's, were rechambered to different rounds in the US so don't just shoot it without having a chamber casting done, or finding some other way of ascertaining if the chamber is good.
I uncovered an exhaustive reference on Japanese service rifles in the Oak Lawn, IL public library; maybe there's a copy near you. I think the author's name was Hunnicutt. Try an online catalog search. Oak Lawn borders Chicago and is pretty far from where people enjoy the shooting sports so I don't think the book is that rare.0 -
That is definitely a Japanese WW-II rifle, and probably was produced by Italy's Carcano under contract to the Japanese Navy. It appears to be modified from a standard Arisaka rifle in a least four ways. One, the bolt is slightly bent, whereas a standard bolt would be strait. Two, the front sections of the stock and handguard have been cut down from military lengths to some sort of "civilian" appearance. Three, the stock itself appears to be an Italian Carcano, contract model. All Japanese-built Arisaka rifles had a two-piece stock, whereas the Carcano contract rifles had a one-piece stock. Four, the safety knob resembles a Japanese model, but it is a little different. I have never seen an Arisaka safety that looks exactly like the one in the photo. Taken all together, my guess is that you have an Italian Carcano rifle, that has the bolt bent and the forestock furniture shortened by Bubba after the War. 0 -
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Any idea what something like this might be worth? Anything?
In the shape it is is about $25.00. It is certainly not rare, and it is missing things, and in very bad shape. Even in excellent shape you are only talking $150.00-200.00 at the very best.
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It certainly looks like an Arisaka.
Can you see a disfigured/scraped
flower type (mum)stamp just forward of
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$25 would be very generous.
I doubt there are any usable parts in that poor condition.
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I hate to say you guys are all wrong...but! It is definitely an Arisaka, NOT a type I (Italian) and NOT a service rifle. It is a TRAINER.. note one piece buitstock and no markings. A serious collector would pay $100 or more for one in nice shape. This MIGHT bring $20 for parts. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by lilmor50
I hate to say you guys are all wrong...but! It is definitely an Arisaka, NOT a type I (Italian) and NOT a service rifle. It is a TRAINER.. note one piece buitstock and no markings. A serious collector would pay $100 or more for one in nice shape. This MIGHT bring $20 for parts.
Before you go doing that, you might want to carefully read all of the poster's replys.
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quote:Originally posted by Casper81
Any idea what something like this might be worth? Anything?
In the shape it is is about $25.00. It is certainly not rare, and it is missing things, and in very bad shape. Even in excellent shape you are only talking $150.00-200.00 at the very best.
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Then again, it may be some sort of rare sniper or training variant or made someplace other than the usual arsenal. Also, it rusted from improper storage but easily could have seen very little use before then and may be in good shape besides the rust. You just can't tell from the blurry pictures.
Of course, it's still mainly good for parts or for a low cost shooter unless it turns out to be some rare variant that's worth restoring. How much are those training rifles worth?0 -
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quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
quote:Originally posted by Casper81
Any idea what something like this might be worth? Anything?
In the shape it is is about $25.00. It is certainly not rare, and it is missing things, and in very bad shape. Even in excellent shape you are only talking $150.00-200.00 at the very best.
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Then again, it may be some sort of rare sniper or training variant or made someplace other than the usual arsenal. Also, it rusted from improper storage but easily could have seen very little use before then and may be in good shape besides the rust. You just can't tell from the blurry pictures.
Of course, it's still mainly good for parts or for a low cost shooter unless it turns out to be some rare variant that's worth restoring. How much are those training rifles worth?
OK, a little learning session is in store for you here.
Take a look at the auction side, and you will see all the variants that look like this one used to. This rifle has been bubbadized...the front sight is missing, as most of the front section of the forarm. Secondly, ANY rust is from neglect...wether it was intended or not. If the rifle looks like that outside, my experience says there is a good chance it looks like that inside too. And last, but not least, there is NOTHING RARE at all about a bubbadized, neglected military rifle from a half decade ago. There are tens of thousands of them out there. Could this make a project gun? Possibly...depends on how bad it is inside. However, it will never be original, nor a collector piece...bubba took that with him.
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