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On Gunbroker it says Fed Ex only allows overnight?

Lance Bean
Is it time for an update? Cause I called a Fed Ex representative and she said it was fine to choose any shipping method. Then I discussed this with my FFL, and he said that Fed Ex allowed 2nd day air because the high shipping costs was scaring away all the business from firearm shippers. That is cheap, although I haven't asked him about USPS, which would be cheaper, but I don't know if he'll feel comfortable about that.

As an unlicensed seller, will I be able to ship it Fed Ex 2nd day air myself?
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  • burchie
    My pusher has an account with UPS. He ships any hand gun for me for 10-15 dollars. Usually takes 3-4 days. I've sent 7 handguns down range and have never had a problem.
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  • Nwcid
    Here is a link you need about what private parties can and cant do, http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html

    As for shipping you can send long gun though any shipper including USPS.

    For shipping HANDGUNS they have to go common carrier (see link) unless you are an FFL then you can ship it USPS. Both UPS and Fedex require by POLICY (not the same as law) that HANDGUNS be shipped overnight. As far as I am aware there is no exemption to this policy for FFL's as the companies did it to cut down on THEIR employee theft [:(!]

    So to answer your question we would need to know long gun or handgun, but I think you can see the answer.
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  • nmyers
    There is a lot of bad information out there, & your sources are misinformed. I partially blame UPS & Fedex, both of whom have revamped their websites to the point that finding information about shipping firearms is almost impossible. Their "search" functions are practically worthless; their data processing staffs are a disgrace.

    THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE IN EITHER FEDEX OR UPS TARIFFS. Handguns must be shipped Next Day Air, or Next Day Airsaver, (or whatever they may have named these services), PERIOD. Handguns cannot be shipped 2nd day air, by your dealer or by anyone else.

    Federal law requires that you notify a common carrier (that is, Fedex or UPS) that your package contains a firearm. If they accept your handgun for ground shipping, you have met your legal obligations. But, you have violated their tariff, which means if the hangun is lost or damaged they will not pay you anything for your loss.

    Strategy has not changed. The only safe, cheap way to ship a handgun is by USPS dealer-to-dealer.

    Neal
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  • Lance Bean
    Thanks guys, I will look into this later. I may just ask my FFL to ship it USPS, but I thought they only took long guns nationwide.

    I actually got my USP 45 from a seller that shipped it 2nd day air, and I notice some dealers do that as well. Is it really a problem? Cause we know we buy from dealers that ship it through other shipping options besides overnight shipping. Those things just eat up the profit, and I'm not selling an expensive item either.

    So I wonder if I could ship it priority mail(with a box no bigger than 12" in all dimensions), but the weight may add a lot to the shipping. Can I ship it parcel as well, but that would be too slow, and if there is a chance it has to be returned to me, I have to pay the same postage I paid to ship it to ship it again or get it back.

    And when I sell the handgun do I need to give the buyer a bill of sale just to get rid of the trail or get the handgun removed from my registration records?

    I hope I can get help with these questions soon cause I want to sell it badly for money to get something else or another firearm before I move.
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  • dcs shooters
    If you are shipping a handgun. Have your FFL ship it USPS. A flat rate box goes for about $12.00+ins.
    A heck of a lot less expencive than UPS or FED-EX.
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  • nmyers
    You know the law, do what you want.

    Travel hint: If you have to serve time in the Eglin AFB stockade, be sure NOT to use your towel when you shower at night. Instead, stuff it under your cell door to keep the snakes from getting in & crawling into your bunk for warmth.

    Neal
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  • Lance Bean
    Flat rate, of course, that would work. I might try that and I hope it is legally okay to ship from FFL to another FFL or 03FFL(C&R). I heard from some other poster from the high road, that claims that the USPS regulations doesn't even allow 01FFL's to ship to another 01FFL unless the shipper or receiver(I'm guessing) is a dealer and not just an FFL. Boy do I hate these setbacks. I don't believe that, but it scares me to think the police is going to arrest me just for that.

    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    You know the law, do what you want.

    Travel hint: If you have to serve time in the Eglin AFB stockade, be sure NOT to use your towel when you shower at night. Instead, stuff it under your cell door to keep the snakes from getting in & crawling into your bunk for warmth.

    Neal


    Why would I be arrested for sending it through other shipping options other than overnight? I thought it was just corporate policy and not required by federal law? I thought federal law only covered the type of people doing the transaction?
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  • givette
    "And when I sell the handgun do I need to give the buyer a bill of sale just to get rid of the trail or get the handgun removed from my registration records"

    Actually, the receipt the outbound FFL gives you for taking over your property (it's his property once he logs the handgun in for shipment), is enough to take to the registration folks to de-register the handgun. At that point, the paper trail ends for you, the seller.

    You may include in the box your name, and address as a courtesy, but the Gunbroker 'won bid' data sheet (that the buyer has available to him the instant he has won the auction) is all the information he needs, and it's up to him to print it out. Hope I helped. Joe
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  • EOD Guy
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    There is a lot of bad information out there, & your sources are misinformed. I partially blame UPS & Fedex, both of whom have revamped their websites to the point that finding information about shipping firearms is almost impossible. Their "search" functions are practically worthless; their data processing staffs are a disgrace.

    THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE IN EITHER FEDEX OR UPS TARIFFS. Handguns must be shipped Next Day Air, or Next Day Airsaver, (or whatever they may have named these services), PERIOD. Handguns cannot be shipped 2nd day air, by your dealer or by anyone else.

    Federal law requires that you notify a common carrier (that is, Fedex or UPS) that your package contains a firearm. If they accept your handgun for ground shipping, you have met your legal obligations. But, you have violated their tariff, which means if the hangun is lost or damaged they will not pay you anything for your loss.

    Strategy has not changed. The only safe, cheap way to ship a handgun is by USPS dealer-to-dealer.

    Neal


    I have a FedEx account and have shipped a lot of handgun by 2nd Day Air and a few even by FedEx Ground for nearby addresses. I just put the label on the box and drop it off at The FedEx Main Office and go on my way.

    I know I've violated their tariff and am willing to take my chances with insurance claims. I've saved several time the value of any potential claim in shipping costs, although if I had a high value item to ship, I would be be sure and be in full compliance with their policies.

    All my shipments have been to FFLs so notification to the carrier was not legally required. I have a letter from BATF headquarters stating that the regulation only requires notification to the carrier when shipping to a nonlicensee.
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  • Nwcid
    quote:Originally posted by EOD Guy

    All my shipments have been to FFLs so notification to the carrier was not legally required. I have a letter from BATF headquarters stating that the regulation only requires notification to the carrier when shipping to a nonlicensee.


    It does not say it only applies only when shipping to non-FFL's in the law anywhere,

    Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
    A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

    [18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]
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