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Winchester 1895, 30-40 krag loose trigger pin

Don McManus
Was shooting the 30-40 Krag 1895 (1916 manufacture) and the trigger pivot pin fell out, followed by the trigger. Found them both, but it appears the pin is undersized, as it will go completely through the holes in the link and trigger.

Would lock-tite be a good option to correct this, or should I be looking at replacing the pin or trying to stake it in place?

Thanks,

Don
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  • Bert H.
    Don,

    I would opt for low-heat release Lock-tite. I doubt that the pin is undersized... it is more likely that the pin hole has become enlarged.
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  • Don McManus
    Thank you, Bert.

    Don
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  • Ned Fall
    Question. How did you determine the date of manufacture? According to the information given in the Blue Book of Gun Values, the Krag Jorgensen was made from 1894 to 1904. Remember the U.S. Rifle Model 1903 also known as the Springfield Model 1903, caliber 1903-06 was introduced in 1903. I don't think they were stlll making Krags thirteen years later. As to the pin problem. either the pin or the pin hole or both are worn. Loke-Tite is a sealant intended to fix something in place. You want the trigger to be free to pivot on the pin.
    The repair I would suggest is to fabricate a replacement pin of the proper diameter and/or drill the pin hole to the same diameter.
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by Ned Fall
    Question. How did you determine the date of manufacture? According to the information given in the Blue Book of Gun Values, the Krag Jorgensen was made from 1894 to 1904. Remember the U.S. Rifle Model 1903 also known as the Springfield Model 1903, caliber 1903-06 was introduced in 1903. I don't think they were stlll making Krags thirteen years later. As to the pin problem. either the pin or the pin hole or both are worn. Loke-Tite is a sealant intended to fix something in place. You want the trigger to be free to pivot on the pin.
    The repair I would suggest is to fabricate a replacement pin of the proper diameter and/or drill the pin hole to the same diameter.


    Ned,

    Don is referring to a WINCHESTER Model 1895 lever-action rifle (see the topic title).
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  • Don McManus
    quote:Originally posted by Ned Fall
    Question. How did you determine the date of manufacture? According to the information given in the Blue Book of Gun Values, the Krag Jorgensen was made from 1894 to 1904. Remember the U.S. Rifle Model 1903 also known as the Springfield Model 1903, caliber 1903-06 was introduced in 1903. I don't think they were stlll making Krags thirteen years later. As to the pin problem. either the pin or the pin hole or both are worn. Loke-Tite is a sealant intended to fix something in place. You want the trigger to be free to pivot on the pin.
    The repair I would suggest is to fabricate a replacement pin of the proper diameter and/or drill the pin hole to the same diameter.

    Thank you, Ned.

    As Bert pointed out this is a lever action Model of 1895 with a S/N in the 215,000 range. Cruffler.com shows this as being manufactured in 1916.

    I agree with you that the best approach would be to re-do the pin, but my machining ability, though passable on larger things, is a bit ham-handed when things get to be this small.

    Regards,

    Don
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  • JohnStimson
    Depending on how much oversize, you might consider flattening one end a little such that the pin is tight on one end.
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  • Bert H.
    Don,

    If you are interested, I can provide the exact date that your Model 1895 was serialized, but I need the complete serial number.
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  • Don McManus
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    Don,

    If you are interested, I can provide the exact date that your Model 1895 was serialized, but I need the complete serial number.


    Thank you, Bert. It will be an interesting bit of trivia.

    I don't have the serial number with me now, but will send you an email with it and with the number of an 1895 in 30-06.

    Thanks and Regards,

    Don

    EDIT:

    Thank you, Bert.

    As noted in my email, I was shocked to discover that there is bad information floating about on the interwebs.[:)]

    I got the 1923 date for the 30-06 from two sites:

    http://www.cruffler.com/ProductionDataPages/Winchester/WinchesterModels.html

    and

    http://oldguns.net/sn_php/winmods.htm

    Both state that S/N 407483 was manufactured in 1923, yet you state it is a 1920 rifle.

    This discrepancy is not a big deal for me with the particular rifle, though it is nice to know the actual date.

    Thanks again and regards,

    Don
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  • Bert H.
    Don,

    You are quite welcome[:)].

    In regards to the Winchester DOM information found on the various internet websites (those where you plug in the serial number and it gives you the date), they were all created using the flawed data in George Madis' various reference books... and almost none of it is accurate.

    The information I provided to you came directly out of the Polishing Room Serialization Record Books (PRSRB). Madis was completely unaware of the existance of those records.
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  • Don McManus
    I have read a few of the threads regarding Madis' books, and assumed that to be the case, Bert.

    Thanks again,

    Don
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