Unknown English Pistol
Hey everybody....I've got this old pistol which is quite small (about the size of a normal hand)...There's no mention of the company on it just that it's made in england and there is this symbol (see pics in the link below) on the slide and trigger....was wondering if anyone had any info regarding the manufacturer and date of make etc....thanks in advance.....by the way I think it belongs to the start of 20th century cause my friend's grandfather used to have it...
http://s1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb329/hulkpayne/pics%20for%20Gunbroker/
http://s1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb329/hulkpayne/pics%20for%20Gunbroker/
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It's extremely doubtful that this pistol was made in England, no matter what the markings are.
Many similar pistols have been manufactured in Darra Pakistan, and other areas of Asia over the years. With the ongoing unrest in the area, many similar virtually handmade guns to this day are still being produced there. Many of these one of a kind of pistols such as this one have surfaced in U.S. collections over the years. They have been attributed to various metal working shops and small scale manufacturers in China, Viet Nam, Philippines etc. Darra is probably the main source of these types of firearms though. If you do a search on You Tube they have some videos showing the small scale handmade production of firearms in Darra.0 -
This thought crossed my mind too....I happen to know quite alot about DARRA.....but there are some things which point to it's being original.....For instance the quality of steel used is not the usual way of the DARRA gunmakers nor do they have such quality steel....secondly DARRA makers make weapons for the local market and they make models which are very popular at the time...now there are two possibilities if the pistol HAS been made in DARRA....it was either made in the start of 21st century (which seems to be the time of it's popularity)...or It has been made after the Independence of India and Pakistan (i.e after 1947)....Considering the former, at that time DARRA gunmakers were not so advanced as to make a pistol of such quality steel.....considering the later situation, what was the need for DARRA gunmakers to make a pistol which had lost it's popularity long ago? (these type of pistols had long lost their popularity after the independence)......although a lot of things point to it's DARRA origins....for instance the lack of a company name and date of manufacture...... 0 -
One thing could've happened though.....maybe somehow the original writings over it got erased due to extensive use and then someone (probably from darra) rewrote the stuff over it....just a thought... 0 -
The lack of valid British Proof Marks on the pistol, also leads to doubts of it's authenticity. All English made firearms that I have run across over the years have had Proof Marks up the guzoo, even ones from back in the 19th Century.
This link is to a site that illustrates Proof Marks from various countries. The ones used in England on both foreign and domestically made firearms are quite extensively noted.
http://www.gunaccessory.com/Proof_Marks/proofmarks.htm0 -
The "proof mark" with backward S is an indication of an Eastern copy.
I have seen other Oriental guns with backwards letters and numbers in their attempts at copying markings.0 -
sorry I meant 20th century in my previous post not 21st... 0 -
Thanks a lot everybody for the opinions....especially the proof marks... 0 -
By the way...ok let's say the gun is a fake.....but does anybody has any info regarding the original pistol?.... 0 -
It is not a copy of any other pistol. The only reason its a fake is that it was not produced in England. 0 -
Does it actually fire misiles? it looks like a common 1950/60's starting or dog training pistol to me. 0
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