High-cap 22 pistol?
Just wondering why there's no (that I know of) high capacity .22 pistols? It seems if you can stuff a bunch of centerfires in a pistol magazine you should be able to develope a .22 that would hold 18-20 or so.
EDIT: on the g-d side I just saw a reference to a Kel-Tec .22 mag that has a 30 rd magazine so I guess I was wrong (not the first time) but is there also a .22LR available with a high-cap I'm unaware of?
EDIT: on the g-d side I just saw a reference to a Kel-Tec .22 mag that has a 30 rd magazine so I guess I was wrong (not the first time) but is there also a .22LR available with a high-cap I'm unaware of?
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Not that I know of.
The rimmed case and lead bullet are a challenge to any repeater and the more you cram in, the worse it gets. The .22 WRM has a jacketed bullet and more length in front of the rim, so KelTec is willing to give it (another) try.
I read an old, old magazine article that credited W.H.B. Smith, author of Small arms of the World, had designed a high capacity .22 but none of the manufacturers were interested.0 -
The new Keltek will also be available in .22 LR. at a later date. 0 -
Magnum Research/Ramline, .22 pistols had a 15 round capacity magazine, they have been out of production since the 90's though. S & W Model 41's have a magazine that takes 12 rounds, they also sell a calli version that only takes 10. That's it for conventional .22 LR pistols with magazines located in the grip. 0 -
If they can make them for a rifle, how hard coud it be for a pistol?? 30 rnd 10/22 mag works great. 0 -
I would like to see a fairly priced .17 simiauto hi capcity on the market that is not priced into next week! Small or large frame would be fine.
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keltec pr16 22 pistol with 50rd drum[:D] 0 -
Charter Arms Explorer II pistol. A piece of junk but there is a high capasity magazine that fits plus you can store an extra 8 round magazine in the butt. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by gruntled
Charter Arms Explorer II pistol. A piece of junk but there is a high capasity magazine that fits plus you can store an extra 8 round magazine in the butt.
You would be a lot better off with one of the reworked Ruger Chargers. I have run across a couple at shows. Some outfit is reworking them into a much smaller/shorter pistol configuration. Much handier then the original charger, no need for a bipod.
The Explorer II that I worked on years go was very fussy ammo and magazine wise. The only thing it was really reliable with was Mini-Mag solids, even after serious tweaking of the mags and innerds.0 -
GatoGordo,
Seems that every one has forgotten about the Calico's that had a 100 round helical magazine...PITA to load though, but very reliable. It was certainly not a concealed weapon though. Then the Grendel P-30, which is the one Kel-Tec has redesigned...just a few.
Best0 -
As mentioned, the problem with high-cap .22s is that the short case with a wide rim means that any magazine that stores the bullets in-line (on top of one another) has to be either curved like a banana or seriously slanted.
A single-stack slanted .22 magazine that held more than 15 rounds or so would stick WAY out of the bottom of an ordinary gun. In general its hard to get good reliability with really long single-stack magazines, and the rim-stacking with .22s would make this even harder.
Meanwhile, conventional "banana" shaped long magazines work fine in rifles, but you can't throw one into a conventional pistol grip like most auto pistols use.
Along those lines, there are several current manufacture .22 pistols built on rifle platforms that will let you load up with 20+ round magazines. EG: Any of the AR-15 type .22 pistols, and the Ruger Charger which is built on the action of the Ruger 10-22 rifle.
Here's the Smith and Wesson version of an AR .22LR pistol. There are a few others on the market that are conceptually similar:
Here's Kel-Tec's equivalent:
Here's a German made MP-5 pistol clone in .22LR:
As mentioned, the older (and now discontinued) Calico 100 pistol used a special proprietary helical magazine that could hold 100 .22LR rounds, though this was basically also a cut-down rifle platform, and not what you might consider a "normal" pistol:
The Keltec .22 magnum (not yet .22LR) uses an intersting proprietary magazine that separates the rims of the cartridges into two separate columns, yet interweaves the actual bullets into one column. I don't know if you could get this to work with shorter .22LR rounds.
And here's the Ruger Charger, again a pistol version of a larger rifle, this one with a long "banana" mag:
Lastly for what its worth, you can now get 15 round magazines for some of the .22 conversions of more conventional pistols (eg 1911s). Its not the 18-20 rounds you asked for, but its not too shabby:0 -
quote:Originally posted by Pistollero1050
If they can make them for a rifle, how hard coud it be for a pistol?? 30 rnd 10/22 mag works great.
Where are you going to put that big (physical size) of a mag in a traditional handgun?0 -
In the case of the 10/22 or charger(I belive he was refering to) they would just hang it out the bottom, but you knew that.
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