Romanian AK-47 GP75
I'd like to know how good the CAI assembled Romanian AK-47 GP75s with American made receivers and barrels are. Does anyone have experience with these particular rifles? If so, please help me out. I do want a reliable and well built/assembled AK variant, but I don't have a whole lot of money.
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CAI are hit or miss on the quality of their builds. If I were you I'd put hands on it before buying just make sure everything is straight. 0 -
I have yet to se an unreliable AK-47. However, I did have one that from CAI, there were burrs on the disconnector and hammer that would not let the hammer drop down to the sear when the trigger was released. A quick hit with a light file or stone took care of it. That said, that I have never seen an unreliable AK, but I have seen some built a whole lot better than others. CAI is hit or miss, but a whole heck of a lot more hit than the HESSE/VULCAN/BLACKTHORNE group.
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Even though third world peasants successfully build AKs in huts and caves with hand tools, if anyone can build an unreliable AK, its Century Arms.
I know as a fact that they've had problems in reliability with their Polish Tantal and Israeli Galil clones, and both of those are effectively modified AK platforms.
Most of the problems are largely quality control. Some of their guns are good. . .some are not. Watch out for twisted ("canted") front sight ramps.
I'm with fastcars. If you can try before you buy, that's good. Alternatively, if you can buy with say a 1-2 week trial period and unconditional money back guarantee, I think you'll probably be able to avoid any problems.
EDIT: Responding to below.
Since I've seen with my own eyes Century Arms guns that were unreliable out of the box, including the above mentioned AK-derivatives, I'll have to chalk this up as a "fact" and not a rumor.
Century recalled its Galil clones, then had large numbers of them returned due to defective receivers and reliability issues, then eventually went to another manufacturer for receivers. Again, a fact, not a "rumor".
Though I've passed on the opportunity to own one, I've heard enough reports of unreliable CETME guns from Century, that I believe them.
Note that the MO of Century is that for its builds it generally obtains parts kits from used/surplus guns, then rebuilds them onto American made receivers to be legally compliant. In some cases some of the parts it has obtained have been of intrinsically poor quality (ie the Guatemalan surplus Galil rifles).
In terms of customer service, I've heard some pretty bad stories too, though since on my end this is hearsay, I won't elaborate.
All that said, I have not seen any actual Romanian AKs that were unreliable. AKs being what they are, I suspect that whatever their lack of refinement or rough build, most of these will still function OK.
On canted-sight Century-built guns, again, this not a rumor (see below). Supposedly they've upped the quality control so this problem has gone away or at least gotten a lot better, but there are bad guns out there.
This isn't really an issue unless you're buying the gun sight-unseen (ie on the internet), since a quick look should tell you if the sights are straight or if they aren't!
Edit #2: Again, responding to below.
You want me to call Century and complain to their customer service about guns I don't own? I'm not sure how that makes any sense.
Again, not every Century build is bad, and I've seen plenty of their AKs that work just fine, just that I have seen non-functional Century guns with my own eyes and heard enough about various ones with problems that I think a bit of caution is warranted. If you have the ability to return a non-working gun where you bought it within a reasonable period of time (ie INSTEAD of having to send it back to the factory yourself), this shouldn't be a problem.
Even stipulating that Century customer service is excellent (and again, that's NOT what I've heard. . .to put it mildly), that still doesn't mean I want to deal with it. Shipping a gun for repair is a PITA.0 -
The Romanian AK's can be a little rough but I haven't seen any fail to feed, function or fire and they are pretty accurate for an entry level AK.
Usually the fit and finish is whats considered to be rough with some blemishes or the infamous canted parts and such(however I have yet to find any but I am still looking every chance I get) and most of which could be fixed while some are cosmetic and it wouldn't be cost effective to do so.
Normally the more you spend the better overall the weapon will be fit and finish wise and also depending on the builder and other factors, as well as workmanship although there are exceptions.
Some do not like Century Arms however imho most of that is just undeserved and opinionated and there is alot of that to go around here.
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Century already knows, that they are soon catching the likes of the HESSE/VULCAN/BLACKTHORNE group. Actually this issue has been beat to death in several other threads. I would think you might use the search function and look them up. They do make for some interesting reading. There are lots of inexperienced opinions in there too.
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Judging from the commentary, sounds like that is coming from previous experience here.
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Well, hold your head up, and take it from there. The trolls will eventually go away(although, I believe some return under a new guise), and boost the attitudes and moral.0 -
Back to original question, as long as you can handle it in person before you buy, a Century Romanian AK should be fine.
Things to look for:
Canted sights.
Too tight or too loose of a magazine well. Mags should be able lock in and release easy with little to no side to side movement.
The GP Romanians should already have a Tapco G2 trigger. Best trigger out there.0 -
The Romanian G stamp or SAR1 rifles have been the nicest that I have seen and wouldn't mind getting some to rework. 0 -
I have Romanian GP WASR 10-63 with model stamp year of 1964.Love this gun and is a blast to shoot.It will fire any ammo I put in it.I hear people say that they are nothing but crap,but that is their opinion not mine.The AK is more or less the same no matter what model you buy.Pop off the dust cover and look inside and you will see little difference between them,if any.The WASR's are rough looking but thats how they are made.Like any gun,you get good one's and bad one's.I know people that have spent thousands of dollars on top of the line 1911's and the things will jam costantly.My $500 Glock will shoot all day long with not a problem.An AK will range from $400 and up depending on what you want to spend.With the Romanain's they do sometimes come with canted front sights,non-matching serial #'s and mag wobble.When I bought mine,I looked at every WASR the store had and picked the best one.Not one thing wrong with it.But then again,I knew what to look for.There are tons of after market parts for them,you can buy them just about everywhere and for cheap.Look for one with a model year of 1970 or older,with the threaded barrel and bayonet lug (pre-ban style).Before buying one,talk with people who know about the gun,not just think they know about the gun.Look at the different models,milled or stamped receiver.You might like the higher end ones,it's your money. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by chopper007
I have Romanian GP WASR 10-63 with model stamp year of 1964.Love this gun and is a blast to shoot.It will fire any ammo I put in it.I hear people say that they are nothing but crap,but that is their opinion not mine.The AK is more or less the same no matter what model you buy.Pop off the dust cover and look inside and you will see little difference between them,if any.The WASR's are rough looking but thats how they are made.Like any gun,you get good one's and bad one's.I know people that have spent thousands of dollars on top of the line 1911's and the things will jam costantly.My $500 Glock will shoot all day long with not a problem.An AK will range from $400 and up depending on what you want to spend.With the Romanain's they do sometimes come with canted front sights,non-matching serial #'s and mag wobble.When I bought mine,I looked at every WASR the store had and picked the best one.Not one thing wrong with it.But then again,I knew what to look for.There are tons of after market parts for them,you can buy them just about everywhere and for cheap.Look for one with a model year of 1970 or older,with the threaded barrel and bayonet lug (pre-ban style).Before buying one,talk with people who know about the gun,not just think they know about the gun.Look at the different models,milled or stamped receiver.You might like the higher end ones,it's your money.
I agree with everything you said. However, for the luv of gawd man, that hurts my eyes!
Please use spaces and breaks between paragraphs.0 -
Drobs,why do your eyes hurt? If you don't like the way write a post, don't read them. 0
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