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delsoul
In some of the Auction Sites here on GunBroker, seller says "No California Sales".... Why is this? I'm not from California, just curious !
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  • delsoul
    I am a new FFL dealer. How do I go about selling guns legally in to California and is it even worth messing with? Are assault rifles still banned from being sold and shipped to the state? Isn't there some certification I need to sell guns in to CA from outside? I want to sell there but worried about the legality of it all.

    Thanks,
    Mike
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  • bobbyrose512
    Here is a good start. There will be some along in a little while that has a lot of experience.

    http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/
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  • rsnyder55
    They are selling weapons like AR-15 clones here in CA. They must have either a 'bullet' button magazine release or a non-removal magazine.
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  • nmyers
    You are missing the basic dealer concept.

    An FFL can transfer a firearm to an FFL IN ANY STATE. If you sell a firearm to CA resident, you aren't going to transfer to him; you will be transferring to his dealer. The CA dealer earns his fee by determining if he can transfer the firearm to your buyer, & doing so in accordance with CA law. You don't need to know CA law, you only need to get agreement from his dealer to accept delivery of that specific firearm for that specific customer.

    Even if certain types of firearms are "illegal" in some states, many have exceptions, such as sale to LEO's. So, you really don't need to know the buyer's situation, his dealer does.

    I have read that out of state FFL's need to register with CA's DOJ before shipping to a dealer there, but I'll be darned if I can figure out how to do that from the confusing information on their website.

    Neal
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  • delsoul
    Neal, thanks for the info. But why do so many dealers have a disclaimer that says "Sorry, no sales to California?" Why would they cut out an entire state of possible income if it were no issue?

    Thanks,
    Mike
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  • fordsix
    when cali pass the law..they sent me a registration package 2000 miles away with out my asking,,i promptly pitched into the burn barrel[^]
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  • DarkStar11
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    I have read that out of state FFL's need to register with CA's DOJ before shipping to a dealer there, but I'll be darned if I can figure out how to do that from the confusing information on their website.


    Here's the info for a FFL holder (other than 03 or 06) to register with CA -- http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcoverview.php. After registering, the shipping FFL needs to get approval (through an online form) from the CA DOJ prior to shipping a firearm to a CA FFL.
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  • aardvarkrh
    Believe me, I'm the the last person in the world who would want to be "told what to do". Particulaly if it involves a business that I've put my blood and sweat into, to nuture & develope. However, I've spent the best part of the afternoon, trying my best to figure out why the big who-haw, over selling/shipping guns to California residents. All this is doing, is falling right into the hands of those "Kalifornians" who are anti-gun, and about as far left as one can see. So I guess just boils down to the principle. It can't be the fact that all a seller has to do, is fill out a pretty much prefunctory application and go on line, or even just make a phone call, to get an authorization number to go along with the copy of their FFL, which has to be sent anyway. Oh I know, it must be having to hang onto another piece of paper for three years. Isn't the point selling guns, ammo, and the like? Oh yeah, and making money!
    And yes..., I do get the principle. There are quite a few Californians who have money and want to spend it on what yer selling.
    Don't let the idiots out here that come up with these unbelievable regulations, keep those who want what your selling, to win.
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  • gruntled
    quote:Originally posted by DarkStar11
    quote:Originally posted by nmyers
    I have read that out of state FFL's need to register with CA's DOJ before shipping to a dealer there, but I'll be darned if I can figure out how to do that from the confusing information on their website.


    Here's the info for a FFL holder (other than 03 or 06) to register with CA -- http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcoverview.php. After registering, the shipping FFL needs to get approval (through an online form) from the CA DOJ prior to shipping a firearm to a CA FFL.


    Just to show you what a mess it is when I click on the above I get
    "Page not found" on the DOJ's web site. The bottom line is that no matter how hard you try they have it worked out so that you can't get there from here.
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  • rsnyder55
    The thing you have to remember about California is that two population centers push the anti-gun agenda and they are Los Angeles and San Francisco. Outside those areas, the state is primarily rural with a much more conservative outlook. Unfortunately, as seats in the state and federal senate and legislature are determined by population, those who live outside these areas, have little or no voice at all about the laws that get passed.
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  • dfletcher
    quote:Originally posted by delsoul
    I am a new FFL dealer. How do I go about selling guns legally in to California and is it even worth messing with? Are assault rifles still banned from being sold and shipped to the state? Isn't there some certification I need to sell guns in to CA from outside? I want to sell there but worried about the legality of it all.

    Thanks,
    Mike


    I am in California, have been buying guns for about 40 years. Regarding the laws, they are complicated and can lead to all sorts of confusion, not only from a buyer but from CA FFLs and LE.

    Basic example is this - a Colt 1911 Series 70 can not be imported into the state (FFL to FFL) but a Colt 1911 Series 80 can be because it is on the "CA Roster of Approved Handguns". Most folks know these as nearly identical guns, but to the state of CA they are different. There are literally thousands of different "models" that for all practical purposes are the same, yet the state requires each model to be OK'd for CA importation. It can lead to someone ordering from you a used Smith 66, but since a plain old Smith 66 is not on the list the gun arrives at the CA FFL and the FFL can't release it. Then you and the "buyer" have to figure out what to do.

    CA has an AW ban - again complicated. I have about 6 ARs, some FALs and a Robinson M96 - all legal but with slight CA mods. Stripped AR receivers are legal to send here, but a complete (centerfire) AR rifle is not. Stags are OK here, Colt is is not. DPMS is legal here, DPMS "Panther" is not. A Browning M2 in 50 BMG is legal, a bolt action Barrett in 50 BMG is not - now that makes sense, right?

    In addition, for you to send a gun to a CA Type 01 FFL, you have to use the CA CFLC system. It's computer, on line & takes about 30 seconds. It verifies that the FFL you're sending to is a "for real" FFL - I believe the state uses the list to check that CA FFLs have insurance, business license so you are in effect bird dogging for the state - nice little Nazi touch, I think.

    There are other little variations. Sending in high cap mags is not legal but high cap repair kits, basically disassembled high caps, is legal.

    All the above problems are cured, I think, with two tag lines on your advert. "CA buyers - ensure this item is legal for you to receive before ordering" and with respect to guns specifically "CA buyers - We charge a $10.00 fee for CFLC compliance"

    You may want to drop over to CalGuns for more CA info. I know CA gun owners welcome and will always spend decent $$$ on guns.
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