Mosin Nagant
I recently bought a Mosin from a person and attempted to shoot it today only to find out the bullet gets hung up while trying to load it into the chamber. I put a mark on the bullet and found at around the 5 oclock spot a spot that looks like theres maybe a burr inside the barrel catching it. It leaves like a scrape mark. I looed as best as I could and can't seem to find anything. What options do I have? Is there some sort of a round file I can use?. Does it need professional help or should I just chalk one up for getting shafted? There has to be a way to fix this..any suggestions would be appreicated..Thanks
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I want to add a Mosin Nagant to my very small collection. For those of you who are into these thing, which models, years, and arsenal marks (I assume Tula) are most desireable? What are the best sources?
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Well all 3 are the same caliber in a sense. They are all considered .30 caliber. The US .30 caliber guns like .308 and .30-06 use .308 diameter bullets and the "Russian" .30 caliber guns use .311 bullets.
As far as "power" goes the ballistics on the 7.62x54r sits right between the .308 and .30-06.
There is more info on the web then I can even begin to tell you about on here. A simple search will turn up days worth of reading.
I can say get one, or more they are fun. I have 2 M44's, a 91/30, and a clone 91/30 sniper.0 -
Originally posted by Nwcid
Well all 3 are the same caliber in a sense. They are all considered .30 caliber. The US .30 caliber guns like .308 and .30-06 use .308 diameter bullets and the "Russian" .30 caliber guns use .311 bullets.
As far as "power" goes the ballistics on the 7.62x54r sits right between the .308 and .30-06.
There is more info on the web then I can even begin to tell you about on here. A simple search will turn up days worth of reading.
I can say get one, or more they are fun. I have 2 M44's, a 91/30, and a clone 91/30 sniper.
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also treat all non-US made ammo as if it was corrosive. Clean the bore good after shooting.0 -
quote:Originally posted by TxCoyote
7.62x54 caliber, what American caliber is closest, 308 or 30-06? What, if any, difference is there between the hex and round? I am going to buy one but know absolutely nothing about them, I appreciate any and all information available.
TxCoyote......Google is your friend to learn more about the 7.62x54. Others have told you about where it sits between .308 and 30.06. Lets just say it still is, after almost 110 years, still a very potent round and used in combat in 2010. Difference between hex and round? Hex=old; round=new(er). One a personal level, the round is fun to shoot out of about anything chambered for it. The Model 91 (that is, 1891) is nice....I have a 91/30 sniper in 1943 Tula with a 1943 PU 3.5 which is pretty good (ie..better than these old eyes); the 1944 carbine will shoot a blast of light out the end and kick like a mule but is fun to shoot: the SVT 40's I have are a hoot to shoot and the = to the Garand (before I get attacked here....I LOVE my Garands...but the mags don't remove and the SVT has two more shots). In short, you will love it if you shoot it but as you have been warned, treat all ammo except US, no matter what they say, as corrosive and clean it after every shoot. Good shooting![^]0 -
7.62x54R is also known as ".30 Russian".
It nominally takes .312" (not .311") bullets, which makes them slightly bigger than the usual .308" American "thirty" caliber loads including .308, .30-06, .300 Win mag, etc. Russian quality control over literally 60+ years of manufacture being what it is, actual bore diameter in individual guns can vary from somewhere around .311 to .316.
As to which round is more powerful, that's going to depend on what exact load you're talking about.
As a rough ballpark, as mentioned, 7.62x54R falls roughly in between .30-06 and .308 *with standard military loads*. That said, there really isn't all that much of a difference between them. If I remember right, .30-06 is really only about 10% more powerful than .308 anyway.
For practical purposes, the three are effectively equivalent ballistically. If it helps, as a matter of practice, 7.62x54R has been widely used by the Finns to hunt Moose, basically the same size as American Elk. The Russians use it to hunt Polar bear, again, roughly the same size as North American Grizzly (Brown) bear.
I can tell you from personal experience that a steel-core 7.62x54R milsurp round will shoot clean through a telephone pole like it wasn't even there. This is NOT a weak round by any stretch!
Recoil from a Mosin Nagant rifle is fairly brisk. Its a combination of the steel buttplate and 19th century ergonomics in a gun designed to be shot by 5'5" average Russian peasants wearing heavy winter clothes! Rubber recoil pad makes a BIG improvement.
Difference between hex and round receiver? In terms of function, zero. The hex receiver guns are older, and are considered slightly more desirable to collectors. But the "re-arsenalled" surplus type guns have negligible collectors value anyway, and are best considered "shooters". Theoretically, having more steel the hex-receiver guns are stronger, but even the round receiver guns are QUITE strong.
What else do you need to know? Because of the split receiver design, mounting a scope on one of these can be tricky. Do a search on this topic and you'll get all sorts of information on what works and doesn't.
Also lots of the re-arsenalled guns saw real military use and have sewer-pipe like corroded bores. That doesn't necessarily mean they won't shoot well, but they may not. If you have the ability to inspect the gun in person, take a good look at the bore before you buy. Re-barreling these guns is impractical. (Taking out the old barrel is quite tough, nobody makes new ones, and trying this will end up costing several times more than the gun itself is worth).
Surplus ammo for this gun can still be had for around $0.20 per round in bulk, making it the cheapest of the current "serious" rifle caliber surplus ammo. (You can get 5.45x39 surplus quite a bit cheaper but that's hardly the same. Surplus corrosive 7.62x39 can be had now for about the same price, but again. . .not the same!). All surplus type 7,62x54R ammo is corrosive, but that's easily dealt with by simple cleaning after shooting.
Here's one of mine. Its a Russian M44, with the side folding bayonet removed, a 2x Leopold pistol scope mounted on an SK base, a rubber 1" extension recoil pad, and a self-made foam rubber cheekpiece underneath the shell carrier:
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Hi,
It is hard to go wrong with a Mosin.
They are fun and very adaptable with after market parts.
As some posters have indicated, bore sizes fluctuate on Mosin Nagant rifles. The one above does not shoot well with 0.308 inch bullets. When you get your rifle, slug the bore to determine its diameter. I reload most of my 7.62x54R ammunition and use Hornady's .303 British bullet, which is 0.312 inches diameter. Using this bullet size gives MOA accuracy from the above rifle.
Best,
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The internet has a bunch of good info on these rifles. Here is one place to start- http://www.surplusrifle.com/russianmosin189130/index.asp 0 -
Just as a FYI, the Finnish folks refer to the 7.63x54R Russian cartridge as the 7.62x53R (not to be confused with the rimless Belgium / Argentine 7.65x53 round). Norma (and a couple others) package the Russian round with the Finnish designation.
In reality the case measures 53.5mm, so both designations are correct.
Russia used a "line" designation, IE 3-line denotes 30cal.0 -
Gentlemen, I appreciate the info. You answered my questions and gave me some excellent advice. I am going to buy one very shortly. I will check out the web sites and Google before I buy. Will be back later with more questions about no telling what.[8D][^] 0
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