top break pistol
Hey folks, I'm kinda new at this, so please bear with me. I have had in my possesion for 17 years a top break pistolcirca 1890(?)Serial number 273248, three numbers on the ejector;233, black plastic handle with a fancy SW on it. I saw earlier today on this site one very similar to it. Mine does not have a "pin" on the top slide by the screw near the release lock.Any insight/info would be very much appreciated. Thanks. Jerry Hardy, SSG(R), U.S. Army
My apologies...it is a Harrington Richardson ARMS CO, Worcester, Mass. U.S.A.
On the left side of the barrel is;AUTOEJECTING38 S.& W. CTGE.
Also, I found on a post from "onegungranny", posted 8/24/10 @ 4:29:41 p.m., the first picture there is what I am referring to in regards to the "pin" not on mine. That is the only difference I can see. Again, thanks for any info. Jerry
My apologies...it is a Harrington Richardson ARMS CO, Worcester, Mass. U.S.A.
On the left side of the barrel is;AUTOEJECTING38 S.& W. CTGE.
Also, I found on a post from "onegungranny", posted 8/24/10 @ 4:29:41 p.m., the first picture there is what I am referring to in regards to the "pin" not on mine. That is the only difference I can see. Again, thanks for any info. Jerry
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Thought I'd help Staff Sgt. Hardy (with the forum mechanics).
Pic below is Onegungranny's photo that the Sarge refers to in his initial post. Best, Joe
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quote:Originally posted by givette
Thought I'd help Staff Sgt. Hardy (with the forum mechanics).
Pic below is Onegungranny's photo that the Sarge refers to in his initial post. Best, Joe
Joe
Thanks so much for the assist with the pic. Have a good one. Jerry0 -
What I am looking for is any info to the DOM on this piece.What type .38 ammo should be used - black powder or smokeless? Thanks, Jerry 0 -
Jerry,
Your H&R is a smokeless powder version, chambered for .38 S&W (not .38 SPECIAL). The grip panels are not original to the gun, they are for a S&W. The markings indicate manufacture in late 1920s to early 1930s. Serial Number will help pin that down quite a bit - picture would be great help.
p.s. The little "pin" on the top strap of Granny's gun, is the latch hold open feature found on the early production H&R auto ejectors. This was used to keep the latch in upward position during removal of the cylinder - so the little retaining hook in the latch wouldn't scratch the hell out of the cylinder when unscrewing or pulling it off.
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this one is a Third model (large frame) H&R Auto-Ejecting. serial number(273248) and barrel markings place it in the 3rd variation range(sometime around 1914). check the serial number carefully as the last three digits on the cylinder should match the one found on the bottom of the top strap and the grip frame. there is a good possiblity this one is not wrth the 60% value quoted belog as it may not have all the original parts (grips and maybe the cylinder). H&R put the serial number on the bottom of the top strap, on the left side of the grip frame (and sometimes on the bottom of the butt) and the last three digits on the cylinder and cylinder star. the serial number on the bottom of the top strap is considered the main location.
AUTOMATIC EJECTING THIRD MODEL
(SMOKELESS POWDER)
1905-1940
Auto-ejecting mechanism, Calibers 32 S&W Long, 6 shot cylinder capacity, 38 S&W caliber 5 shot cylinder capacity, hard rubber grip panels with Target Logo, nickel finish (blue optional), barrel lengths of 2? (rare), 3? (standard), 4, 5 & 6 inches available, top of barrel markings include company name and address and early production has patent dates, the one recognizable difference in the Second and Third Models is the caliber is marked on the left side of the barrel on the Third Model. "IF IT HAS A CALIBER MARKED ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BARREL THEN IT WAS MANUFACTURED FOR SMOKELESS POWDER"
First Variation 4 patent dates (5-14 & 8-6-89, 4-2-95, 4-7-97) model name and caliber on left side of barrel
1905-1908
Second Variation 2 patent dates (8-6-89 and 10-8-95) model name and caliber on left side of barrel
1909-1912
Third Variation no patent dates the name of the state is marked as MASS
1913-1915
Fourth Variation no patent dates the state name of Massachusetts is spelled---1916-1924
Fifth Variation new grip frame, it is now the same size as the rest of the frame with no step down for the grip panel-1925-1941
After 1931 listed in Catalogs as: AUTOMATIC EJECTING No. 10 .32 S&W LONG CALIBER 6 shots and AUTOMATIC EJECTING No. 25 .38 S&W CALIBER 5 shots
After 1932 listed in Catalogs as: AUTOMATIC EJECTING No. 10 .32 S&W LONG CALIBER 6 shots; AUTOMATIC EJECTING No. 20..38 S&W CALIBER 5 shots
VALUE: 100%=$235 60%=$85 For all Auto-Ejecting 3rd Models; add 75% premium for 2?" barrel; add 25% for 4", 5" & 6" barrels; add 15% for blue finish;
the picture from onegungranny is not a good example as it is the some what rare first model second variation manufactured about 1885-1889.
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