ID Mauser part II
nonsense thank you for putting up the pictures. What would be an estimate in cost to restore this entire rifle to new including the rings to match the mounts? Would $1000 cover it and whom could I trust to do it and get it back to me and not just keep the rifle claiming it was stolen, etc. ?
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I believe this is built on a K98k (Even possible a WWI Gew98.
Commercial Mausers did not have the cut out for stripper clips.
Since the SN on the shroud is facing left (90% from where it should be) I have to assume this was renumbered.
I only have the two photos on the closed thread to view as I am on dial up and the others were taking too long for me to wait.
Many guns were converted and after WWII a Gew98 was just as likely as a K98k to be a starting point for a sporterized Mauser for a US GI wanted a nice gun. Would not matter which it started from.
In desperate need of income gunsmiths were plying their conversions to GIs. The examples range from good to incredible.
This is a fine piece and yes expect to pay $800-1,000.00 to have the work done. That will depend on getting lucky or not in finding claws that can be converted to yours, each being hand fitted. If you get very lucky you could do a little less.
You must have a scope that is for a K98k sniper or that general type. You will see some on eBay with claw mounts.
The ones for the Drillings have the claws closer together.
Here is a good site where you might find more help where you can post auction links for scopes for them to check for you (post don't get locked there for help).
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Be patient, make sure of what it is before you buy a scope or mounts as many will not work or require to much alteration for it to be practical.
I can not recommend my Mauser gunsmith, he passed away last year. I had him do a claw mount set up for me 4 years ago, sweet.
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silver salmon,
It's really 'nononsense' but it's also a simple mistake easily made...
Your rifle receiver and associated parts were assembled and numbered in Oberndorf in the year 1929 according to my copies of the factory records. There will be other stamps and proofs under the stock line which will add to the history slightly.
As far as gunsmiths are concerned, I know both Joseph and Mark so I can pretty much tell you that either will do a great job. As to the cost, I don't quote jobs for other gunsmiths and I don't allow them to quote my work. I suggest contacting both to get an estimate. You can send an e-mail with the photos attached to help with the explanation of your wants.
I will not kid you, fitting claw mounts is labor intensive and requires hand fitting. There are blank rings available from EAW which save some time but the actual shaping and fitting of the feet is the hard part.
Restoration is a hard term to come to grips with insofar as fine rifles are concerned. Your rifle could stand some clean up but very little more except for the rings. Most of the value was removed from this rifle when the chamber was re-cut but that's no excuse to do more damage by trying to do more work than is necessary.
Now, as to these statements:
"I believe this is built on a K98k (Even possible a WWI Gew98."
No, it's a commercial Mauser made in Oberndorf.
"Commercial Mausers did not have the cut out for stripper clips."
Wrong.
All Mauser, both commercial and military, had the stripper clip thumb slot until 1946 when the folks in Belgium revised the original design with the 'Improved' solid side receivers. There are a couple of exceptions but the models are so rare, they can't be construed as a definite model change.
"You must have a scope that is for a K98k sniper or that general type. You will see some on eBay with claw mounts."
No. Since this is a commercial Mauser, you can use just about any scope your heart desires. If you're striving for authenticity you will need to determine the date of delivery (1929) and use that as a guide for picking a period correct scope. Based on your previous statement about glasses, I suspect any quality scope will be a good choice.
Contact both gentlemen above to get a better idea of costs and time frame before deciding what you want to accomplish. This is a fine rifle, deserving of some TLC and claw mount for a good scope.
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Bear in mind, you can't un-rechamber the barrel. 0 -
"You must have a scope that is for a K98k sniper or that general type. You will see some on eBay with claw mounts."
No. Since this is a commercial Mauser, you can use just about any scope your heart desires. If you're striving for authenticity you will need to determine the date of delivery (1929) and use that as a guide for picking a period correct scope. Based on your previous statement about glasses, I suspect any quality scope will be a good choice.
You missed my point. The dimension of the mount between the two bases is the same as a K98k so if he tries to find one that by luck may fit he needs to find a scope with mounts like the K98k sniper mount size.
That set of bases is typical K98k claw bases
Other rifles like the Drillings have a shorter distance between the bases and are often advertised as K98k sniper scopes when they are not.
It is possible to this rifle to a collector show like Tulsa, Birmingham or Lakeland Florida and simply see if one of the K98k claw mount ZF39 Hensolt design type will fit.
It is possible and would save a ton of money.
The K98k sniper scopes were German commercial scopes put on K98k rifles with various mounts. The scope type was standardized with the Hensolt design but still a typical Commercial 4X scope.
Later they added range marks for elevation cased on the standard 7.92X57 196gr Mauser ammo but is was still the same commercial scope.
It matters not which scope.
What matters are the claw mounts and if they fit or are close enough to be altered to fit.
If not then I suggest you follow nononsense' advice on his gunsmith recommendations to have one of those guys find and adjust the scope for you.
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