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please help ID this Mauser

silver salmon
I inherited a Mauser and need to find a set of rings that fit the base machined into the reciever. I can describe this much about the rifle that my uncle won playing poker during WWII.

full stock mahnlicker with set triggers
caliber stamped on barrel: 8x60
proof marks stamped on receiver F G with a design above both letters
back of reciever and saftey tang are stamped : 63
serial # : 103063
reciever stamped (best I can read) : Waffenrappk Mauser Orfndor

The reciever has some sort of 2 piece quick detachable scope base on it...the barrel end of the reciever is cut so the mount slides in and there are 2 parrell slots cut into the mount, I assume so male parts on the rings can nest in the slots... the rear mount has 2 slots as well, and is made so you can squeeze the sides in and pull back to release the rings quickly, this piece is screwed on.

I'd like to mount a scope on this gun that was rechambered to 8mm-06, can these style rings be found anywhere today?

Thanks alot I wear trifocals and can not use open sights and want to shoot this great old rifle.
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  • p3skyking
    I believe, if memory serves, that Sweden used the 8x60 round and a number of 8x57's were converted. I doubt if that was the case with yours since the serno is so high.
    There were multiple base types used in Europe, some even one off made by individual smiths.
    Unless yours is a commercial set, you will probably have to have a set made to use them.

    Photos with exact measurements are required to even begin getting you on the paper.

    Perhaps someone knows an American smith that deals with European mounts.
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  • rufe-snow
    The marking on the receiver probably reads "Waffenfabrik Mauser, Oberndorf". With the 6 digit serial number it might be a one of the commercial rifles that Mauser made, not a reworked military rifle. If you could, please post quality close up photos of the rifle, it might be worth some bucks.
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  • perry shooter
    The scope mounts are commonly call CLAW mounts and each set was hand fitted to each rifle. They were quick detachable and taken off before the gun was surrendered. most likely.
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  • nononsense
    silver salmon,

    While your written description reads like you have Claw Mounts, it is very important to see sharp, properly lit photographs for the best replies. There is a Sticky at the top of this forum titled 'Posting Photographs' which will get you started.

    As an aside, Mannlicher is a company and a person's proper name while the term applied to rifle stocks is 'Stutzen' or full-stock.

    The Swedes used the 8x63 cartridge. It was the Germans who found the need for the 8x60 conversion when owning rifles with the military chamber of 8x57 was forbidden. It is unfortunate that the rifle was re-chambered since the 8x60 is a superb cartridge in its own right. But Americans being Americans, often re-chambered war bring-backs for a ubiquitous '06 variation for simplicity of reloading.

    Please post pictures.

    Best.
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  • silver salmon
    I'm at work I will "try" to post some photos this evening.
    I do know my uncle rechambered it after not being able to find ammo for it easily at the time. Last night I pulled the bullet from one of his handloads it measured .323 and the case was a '06 with the throat opend up to accept the bullet. Brass is stamped 30-06 Springfield ( I am aware there are properly stamped cases out there 8mm-06 )
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  • TRAP55
    This gentleman specializes in these types of mounts and restoration.
    http://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/index.html?scopemounts.html~maindeal
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  • silver salmon
    http://s969.photobucket.com/albums/ae177/bigdaddyt9255/2010mauserBud/
    This is the link to the album with the photos.
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  • ern98
    There are a couple of companies out there making retro-u-fit type rings for these old base. They are not like the originals where the ring was silver soldered to the scope. The new ones have standard screw on top caps. The bad news is that you have to hand fit them to your bases and then worse the set runs around $500, if I remember correctly. So the question becomes; how bad do you want to scope this rifle? If you want to view them I think Brownells stock one of the brands.
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  • silver salmon
    Ok I loaded pictures onto the link above but couldn't get them to paste here ( tried to do it one at a time) so if anyone wants to see the pictures just go to the link and click on each picture you want to view.
    I do not mind spending a few dollars on the rings but in lieu of that wouldn't it just be cheaper to habe it drilled and tapped for a 98 Mauser base?

    Thanks to all whom are trying to help me thru this!!
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  • nononsense
    silver salmon,

    Here are a couple of your photographs from your link:

    DSCN0941.jpg

    DSCN0954.jpg

    You can't just drill, tap and screw on some new bases and mounts because of the design of the current mounts. Note the dovetail used for the front base.

    You could certainly have a gunsmith cobble up your action with a filler for the dovetail and then drill/tap but you will have ruined a nice rifle at that point.

    If you can't live with the cost of restoring the mounts then I suggest putting it up for sale on Gunbroker where a Mauser lover will be happy to take over and complete the project.

    This is a gunsmith that specializes in claw mounts:

    Joseph Lee LeBas III

    LeArmes Inc.

    L & L Enterprises

    5775 Old US Hwy 395 N.

    Carson City, NV 89704

    (775) 841-3069

    http://www.learmes.com/index.html

    E-Mail ~~ learmes@msn.com

    Good luck with your project and if you run into problem, let us know.

    Best.
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