Is thier anything accurate about AK's
Ok so I fell for it and bought a Romanian AK. I was not expecting superior accuracy-but what a total piece of crap. How has anyone ever won a war using this weapon? Is it ammo specific. Is it normal for these rifles to group in different areas of a target with the same point of aim? Do I just expect too much from this rifle? I fully appreciate that they go bang most everytime you pull the trigger but what does that matter when they don't shoot where you aim them?
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That's not much info to go on, but the AK was made so anyone could use it and service it. No they don't shoot MOA but a man sized target will be harmed down range. 0 -
did you try to adjust the sights?
perhaps the sights are canted, a gunsmith might be able to fix that..
Most of the romanian rifles I have shot will group 3" to 6" at 100 yards with Wolf. inconsistant 4" to 5" groups being common with WASRs. The newer WASR romanian AKs are even less accurate then the older SAR rifles.0 -
If you shoot a gazillion rounds at your enemy your bound to hit them with some of them. Thats what the AK is good at. Their volumn of fire and the fact that countries all over the world have made them makes them suitable for war. 0 -
I adjusted for the sights because I cannot get the sight adjustment tool out of the case that stores in the stock. It grouped decent at 50yds for the first group of five shots with Hertes 135gr I think. Everything is tight as far as sights and such but after that te groups just fell apart. Again I wasn't expecting MOA but I would've been pleased with a group the size of a basket ball. After the first five shots the group opened to 4x the size of the first five groups. Definately a battle gun at 50 yds but not much more 0 -
Put bluntly, AK rifles are known for (in order):
a. Reliability
b. Ease of maintenance
c. Low cost and ease of manufacture (they have been literally built in caves using stamped parts and hand tools), and
d. Poor accuracy.
The guns themselves are ideal close-range use, by poorly-trained (often illiterate and/or child) soldiers.
In addition to the poor intrinsic accuracy (which is due to a combination of a relatively "soft" receiver/barrel platform and low-grade steel case ammo), personally I also find it difficult to aim well with the short-radius pistol-like sights on an AK.
If you consider this a 6"-12" 100-yard gun, you're probably about right.
You can probably cut the group sizes by at least 30% if you go to quality commercial loads instead of military type steel case rounds.
Changing the sights (eg to optical or peep) can help a bit too.0 -
The current model you have, they are MOM...Minute of Man, out to about 300 yards, if you are lucky. That was one of the design;s intentions...to be mid range.
I has an SLR 95 milled reciever, that while, it would win no national match competitions, would group 3-4 inches at 100 yards, or sometimes petter. I had no problem hitting a 9 inch steel plate at 200 yards with it. I have seen several of the milled recievers that were very good shooters, and a couple of the RPK reciever(reinforced in the front trunnion area) built stamped guns, do well also. It all has to do with, a.) the materials used, and b.), who is putting it together. All have been utterly reliable!
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Weh, my (insert name of gun) that I don't know anything about won't (insert any problem here)the way I want it to; I even added a (put ridiculously expensive appendage here), and let (add any relative, neighbor or co-worker who knows almost as much about said gun) shoot it a few times, and he couldn't do any better. WEH!
I sometimes wish that folks would actually read some of the posts about their pet problem/prize purchase before engaging in pre-post prognostication and premature badwordification.
I have several AKs that range from a $85 laminated stock, blade bayonet Russian model to a pair of re-worked WASRs (did it myself), to a Hesse arms MAK-90 with an RPK barrel and slant brake, to a stone-stock Veetnam bringback; and all of them will hit a 6" plate at 200 yards. A few will do better than that, but one would necessarily have to shave corners on reliability to wring any more accuracy out of these weapons. I can single-shot one of the WASRs to almost minute-of-angle, but that sorta blows the idea of having a reliable semiauto. The PSL I bought a few years back almost qualifies (in my mind, anyway) as an AK, even though it fires a different caliber, weighs more and looks like a hunting rifle instead of the ubiquitous Freedom Fighter accessory. It's no MATCH piece either, but it does have more accuracy potential than any other "AK".
I own several SKSs that will hit a bottle cap at 100yds.; go figure.0 -
gunnut505
Trying to blow others out of the water with a snotty reply isn't very nice. Forums are just that; a place to discuss questions and topics and to learn, amongst other similarly interested individuals of varying degrees of interest, knowledge and opinion. If you aren't interested you would be better served reviewing other topics, which do interest you.
one2hutm.
It sounds to me like there is some mechanical problem with your gun. While AK's and SKS's are not models of what we Americans consider as being "accurate", they do perform better than your gun seems to be shooting.
Try to get a dis/reassembly dvd such as the one offered by some outfit such as American Gunsmithing Institute or some other, similar supplier. I just happen to like AGI's DVD's. Spend the money; you will be glad you did! Anyway, disassemble the entire gun and pay close attention to each step, looking for problems. Fix anything you see wrong as you find it and then reassemble the gun as per instructiotions. You can also find photo instructions on the web, but the DVD is better. I'll be you find your gun shoots better or you find a defect in the gun.0 -
Thanks wolf. And gunnut505-whatever.... I don't barely know how to navigate the web so I just pop on here when I have a question and always get a helpful reply. As wolf said I do suspect I can get better performance out of this rifle but only bought it to have one-yeah, I fell for that school of thought. I have plenty of rifles that I can shoot quite well with and know how to get the best performance out of them-I've just never had anything to do wit an AK before. My first thought was to use better ammo but The groups moving made me think otherwise. I won't shoot the rifle again til I learn more about it's operation and nomenclature.Thanks,
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I had one of those CAI Romanian WASR10/63 AK type rifles in 7.62x39mm. It was actually pretty accurate. I didn't have any problems hitting USPSA targets where I aimed anywhere out to 100 yards. The trick seems to be the ammunition. Wolf sucks, period. I only found two really good rounds. Hornady V-Max 7.62x39mm is some good stuff. Seriously, I about crapped myself when I saw the difference in group size. And Ultraveska. I picked up a few boxes from cabela's, then went back and bought a case. Its definately the best bang for the buck. Was about the same price as wolf, make in russia, and darn near as accurate as the hornady. Try the hornady, and if you aren't making headshots on a USPSA target off the bag at 100 yards, then get rid of the rifle. 0
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