Smith and Wesson 1000M
Recently picked up a nice S&W 1000M in 20 gauge and have a couple of questions.
Since it's chambered and regulated for 3" shells does anyone know about modifications that would allow it to cycle reliably with 2-3/4" shells? Seems like I saw something about it but can't find it now. Lead 3" are scarce and limited in usefulness.
Is there any problem using 3" steel or other non-toxic in the gun?
I know I should have thought all this through before buying it but the price seemed good and I like the way it handles and shoots.
Thanks in advance for your help. ATE is the best division of GB forums.
Since it's chambered and regulated for 3" shells does anyone know about modifications that would allow it to cycle reliably with 2-3/4" shells? Seems like I saw something about it but can't find it now. Lead 3" are scarce and limited in usefulness.
Is there any problem using 3" steel or other non-toxic in the gun?
I know I should have thought all this through before buying it but the price seemed good and I like the way it handles and shoots.
Thanks in advance for your help. ATE is the best division of GB forums.
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Well Gato what you have is a Howa shotgun.. Also known as the Mossberg 1000. So long as the choke is less than full you should be okay. Thats usually a rule of thumb for steel in older shotguns. 2.75 shells I don't know you'll just have to test that. 0 -
The Super 12 Magnum was the only version I know of, that would cycle both 2.75 and 3" shells.
You can put a 2.75" chambered barrel on it to shoot 2.75" only, and have it still cycle.
Before you shoot anything in it, check the rubber shock absorber first. If it's bad and you shoot the gun, you'll bulge the mag tube and the gun is junk.
Can you post a pic of the gas valve?
Also post some pics of the stocks, I have 3 sets of AAA Fancy stocks I think are for a 20ga. mag that I need to ID.0 -
quote:Originally posted by TRAP55
The Super 12 Magnum was the only version I know of, that would cycle both 2.75 and 3" shells.
You can put a 2.75" chambered barrel on it to shoot 2.75" only, and have it still cycle.
Before you shoot anything in it, check the rubber shock absorber first. If it's bad and you shoot the gun, you'll bulge the mag tube and the gun is junk.
Can you post a pic of the gas valve?
Also post some pics of the stocks, I have 3 sets of AAA Fancy stocks I think are for a 20ga. mag that I need to ID.
I don't know if these pics are what you need. If you want something else let me know and I'll try to accomodate. I don't know if you can make it out in the pics of the valve bloc but the rubber bumper is fine. Everything functions okay, just thinking about modifications to shoot 2.75" shells. The pics of my stocks may make them look worse than they really are but they are dinged a little as you can see. All the internals are good but there are a number of handling marks overall.
Thanks for taking the time to look it over. Your input is most welcome.0 -
Pics of the stock were just what I needed, Thanks!
The rubber shock absorber looks like one of the aftermarket ones, they're more resistant to oil and solvent.
The guns were made by Howa for S&W into the mid 80's, then Mossberg bought the rights and sold them for about two years before ending it. Mossberg used the same model designations too.
It's a clone of a Remington 1100, but nothing will interchange. They used the same style of gas porting on the barrels, one hole for the magnums, and two for the 2.75". Some people have drilled the port bigger so it will cycle the lighter loads. I highly discourage this for a number of reasons.
Howa used a gas valve cylinder, the one weak point. Numrich had some new old stock of 20ga gas valves, grab one if they still have them! They had some 2.75" 20ga barrels too, but I'm not sure that swap will work like it does on the Remington 1100. There may be a difference in the forearm length.
Does your barrel have screw in chokes?0 -
quote:Originally posted by TRAP55
Pics of the stock were just what I needed, Thanks!
The rubber shock absorber looks like one of the aftermarket ones, they're more resistant to oil and solvent.
The guns were made by Howa for S&W into the mid 80's, then Mossberg bought the rights and sold them for about two years before ending it. Mossberg used the same model designations too.
It's a clone of a Remington 1100, but nothing will interchange. They used the same style of gas porting on the barrels, one hole for the magnums, and two for the 2.75". Some people have drilled the port bigger so it will cycle the lighter loads. I highly discourage this for a number of reasons.
Howa used a gas valve cylinder, the one weak point. Numrich had some new old stock of 20ga gas valves, grab one if they still have them! They had some 2.75" 20ga barrels too, but I'm not sure that swap will work like it does on the Remington 1100. There may be a difference in the forearm length.
Does your barrel have screw in chokes?
I'll check with Numrich, thanks. No screw-in chokes (choked full now) but I may look into having it modified. I've read good things about Mike Orlens work. Are you familiar with him or have another recommendation for having screw-ins added? Sleek little gun and I like it so I may just shoot the three inch shells but I'd like to feel safer using steel if the want arises. Thanks again for your help.0 -
Jess Briley did the extended thin wall chokes on my 12ga 1000. I have a safe full of shotguns, and none of them can pattern like this one does. He may cost a little more than the next guy, but you get more than your moneys worth. I would call Brileys and tell them what you have, and what you want to do with it. http://www.briley.com/
Corsons has barrels, once in a great while they come up for sale here on the auctions. http://www.corsonsbarrels.com/s&wbarrels.htm0
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