Skip to main content
Help Center Community Shop

H&R Hammerless

GWI
Question for Bill Goforth and others:

Is a third model Iver Johnson topbreak hammerless Safety Automatic .22 a better built gun than my H&R second model topbreak Bicycle hammerless .22 revolver (which you helped me with in an earlier post) ? You've mentioned in other posts that the third model (aka New Model ?) Iver Johnson topbreaks have coil springs, as well as frames made of Validum steel. Do they also have a smoother action,lighter trigger pull, or other more desirable features, compared to the second model H&R hammerless ? I know that they both have positive cylinder stop features. And they are about the same size and weight.

Thanks. - Gerald
0

Comments

6 comments

Date Votes
  • GWI
    I have an H&R hammerless pistol in a 5 shot 38. I can't figure how the insides go back together. The trigger, hammer and shear, I believe I have right. I can't figure out how to make the cylinder revolve, i khow what should happen but the spring on the arm confuses me. I cant figure out where the spring goes. There is also a small sping, I have no clue what it does. Any help would be great.

    P2170026.jpg

    P2170027.jpg
    0
  • b.goforth
    the trigger pull on both the H&R and the I.J. will be heavy with not a lot that can be done.

    in my personal opinion the I.J.'s a better revolver simply because they use the same transfer bar ignition system that is in use today by most revolver companies and are safer.
    bill
    0
  • GWI
    Thanks very much, Bill.
    0
  • GWI
    I got to thinking about the trigger pull comment: "...will be heavy with not a lot that can be done." It sounds like the heavy action is a basic design problem, rather than problem with roughness or springs? Is this right?
    0
  • b.goforth
    yes, a heavy hammer spring was needed to ensure the hammer hit the transfer bar on the I.J. hard enough. iver johnson and H&R both advertize the heavy trigger pull as a safety feature. I.J. third model offered a adjustable hammer spring but at the lowest (which most all are allways set) it is still very heavy.
    bill
    0
  • GWI
    Thanks. I have a Third Model Ladysmith .22 (c. 1920) that has a great, smooth trigger pull with plenty of ignition power. It weighs only 9.5 oz. Has various coil springs and a leaf mainspring. I was just thinking there might have also been design-related weaknesses for the little IJ's and H&R's.
    0

Please sign in to leave a comment.

Recent Activity