Need Help Identifying a Shotgun
"This is the first time I've used this so I hope I'm doing it right so here's go's, I have a double barrel shotgun that I am trying to find out what year it is and who mfg. it. My mom bought it for my dad in the early 60's as far as i was told, she also said she ordered it from Spain. The only thing on the gun that I can find to identifying it is " Madison Import Corp ", also " 47147 cal. 410 76 ", also " 15 ", also " 850 kgs ", also " Toreador 410 ga magnum SPAIN ". I've been looking around the net but have had no luck so if anyone has any ideas where to look or know anything about this gun please let me know. I'm also wanting to find out what it might be worth if anything, Thanks, you can reach me at Crazyguy9977@yahoo.com"
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need help identifying a shotgun. it is an italian made with the italian proof marks on it. it is a side by side double barrel 12 gauge shotgun. with two external hammers on top and double triggers. identification marks located on it beside the italian proof marks are: on top of the barrels in the middle is the name MI-VAL gardone vt. on top of both barrels it says (alloy chromium compressed steel special type titania). on the inside of the chambers is a capital M with a small v inside a square. beneath the barrels there is 3 stars on one and one star on the other. there are the roman numerals of XXIII located on the silver plate underneath the barrels. there is a number 43 in the middle on the bottom of the barrels. on the inside of the chamber is the number 863. it has silver engraving on it. it has a picture of one bird possibly a quail on one side and a grouse on the other side. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks. [This message has been edited by smj_55705 (edited 10-16-2001).] 0 -
Well I'm not sure because I went to shotgunworld and posted a similar question but I did'nt become a member that I know of...anyhow can you help Mark 0 -
Looks like you are a member of that site now. Realistically your shotgun could have been produced by any of hundreds of small manufacturers who are/were based in northern Spain. It might also be from one of the more well known firms such as AyA, but those firms usually marked their branded products in such a way as to be identifiable. I have lists of dealers and importers that date back into the mid 1960s and I have nothing at all on Madison imports. Since the shotgun is actually marked with an importer's name it would have been brought into the United States after 1968, otherwise it is unlikely it would have been marked. There is an excellent chance that the shotgun was ordered from a catalog or some sort of magazine advertisement and Madison was simply a contract company used to distribute these shotguns and as orders were placed Madison would bring in a few more. It is also quite likely that the exact same shotguns brought in by many other companies and were simply given a different name: Toreador in the case of your gun. 0 -
Thank you Mark for all of your info I really appreciate it and if you can think of anything else please drop me a line, in the mean-time I'm going to take some pics of it and post it....maybe that will help. 0 -
I have the same gun it sounds like. I can't find any info ethier. Someone wants to buy it from me but I have no idea what to ask, anyone have an idea where to start. 0 -
Anyone ever come up with a value or more info for this 410 toreador spanish double barrel?I am hoping to trade up or sale Thanks Mark 0 -
show us some GOOD pics. 0 -
Toledo Armas. Made in Spain and imported by Toledo Armas, circa 1982. They made custom built guns, with all options available 0 -
pic how do u send a pic? 0 -
HOW DO YOU SEND A PICTURE "look about 4 or 5 post above yours STICKY on how to post pictures". If old farts like me can learn how anyone can[:I]
even if it took me years.0
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