Federal 9mm 124 grain +p+ ammunition
This topic was briefly talked about on 8/12/08. Does anyone have any good or bad comments about this ammo. Looking for this as a good defense round for a Springfield XD and Beretta 92FD Brigadier. Is this safe for those more modern guns? If I can find it at the same price or lower as any other 124gr JHP or +p round, is it worth carrying? Thanks.
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The 124gr +P+ will work fine in the two guns you mention. My feeling is, there is little to nothing a +P+ can do that a +P cant also do.
The +P+ is a little harder on guns due to increased pressure and you dont get much benefit from it. I would just buy the +P and be done.0 -
Thanks for the info. I can get the +p+ cheaper than normal +p rounds. Normal +p rounds go over $1.00 a round. The +p+ are "on clearance" for about $0.50. I wound assume at that price I should just get a bunch of +p+ while they are inexpensive?????? 0 -
I got 1308 fps average using Hirtenberger 124 gr +P+ out of a 4 1/2" 9mm barrel.
That equals a hot 38 Super load.0 -
quote:Originally posted by v35
I got 1308 fps average using Hirtenberger 124 gr +P+ out of a 4 1/2" 9mm barrel.
That equals a hot 38 Super load.
Darn near 357 levels...0 -
The locking lugs of the Beretta design aren't noted for their strength. As an example, I don't recall the exact numbers but within our military their max round count restrictions with light bullet, frangible training ammunition through the M9 is set fairly low due to cracking.
Personally, I would stay away from feeding one a regular diet of really hot ammunition such as +P+.0 -
Usually the +P+ stuff isn't much hotter than the "ordinary" +P.
Remember, you can get 1350 fps with 115 grain Corbon 9mm+P (or even more from some guns).
Either of the guns you mention should be safe with the +P+ ammo, especially in limited quantity (ie a few rounds every once in a while for practice and carry).
But as mentioned, the Beretta 92 in particular is known for slide/frame cracking with lots of high pressure ammo. So I'd be a bit careful there and limit the amount of high pressure ammo.
No matter what gun you use, if you intend to shoot a lot of +P or +P+ ammo, you may want to switch to a slightly stiffer recoil spring.
In general, I'd say its not a good idea to try and turn your gun into something it wasn't designed for. If you REALLY need 357 magnum like velocities from your 9mm, get yourself either a 357 SIG, or (better) a 9x23 Winchester gun.
If they're on sale, sure. . .why not pick up a few boxes of premium +P+ ammo? At worst you can always use the rounds in a 9mm carbine.0 -
Or a Ruger Blackhawk single action 357/9MM convertible.
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quote:Originally posted by v35
I got 1308 fps average using Hirtenberger 124 gr +P+ out of a 4 1/2" 9mm barrel.
That equals a hot 38 Super load.
It should go a little higher out of my browning HP 6" barrel0 -
The 124 gr +P+ is our duty/issue round. The Sheriff's office here uses them, too. We all use them in Glocks, never heard of a problem with them breaking guns from us or the SO. We don't use them in MP-5's however, at H&K's recommendation. Standard-pressure Win 115 JHP in those.
The 124 +P+ seem to stop the crooks really well, not much fight left in them with a decent hit. in fact the SO had two shootings this past week, both Deputies unhurt, both crooks stopped in their tracks.
The xD should handle them with no issue, keep an eye on the Beretta. (For info, I just got a locking block set from Beretta for an m96 for 35 bucks. Came with recoil spring, sliding pin, locking block and the roll pin to hold it all together. I think they have the m92 on there as well - probably the same one for all I know.)0 -
I would rather have you just spend extra time shooting so you can get good shoot placement with regular 9mm. I think +p and +p+ are useless, good shoot placement is everything! 0
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