Stupid question on type of rifle.
I know a particular Style of rifle is called a "BULL-PUP". Normally with the receiver much further back toward the shooter shoulder with the trigger group under the barrel or front of receiver . My question is who first made this type of rifle and how did it come to be named BULL-PUP [?][?][?] Bulls don't have puppies. [:I]
editThanks all. NONONSENCE Interesting I first saw one sometime in the Late 1960 was made out of an 03 springfield on top of that it was a Mark I with a gas relief hole and a large hole in the left side rail of the action . [:(!][V][xx(] I knew it was not for me but it did look Cool . I had a chance to shoot a Steyr AUG and was really impressed on how easy it was to hold on target offhand I guess because of the weight is close to your shoulder not supported by your left arm. I shoot Bulls-Eye Pistol one handed fairly well but this Bull-Pup design has Piqued my interest.just wanted to know why the name.
editThanks all. NONONSENCE Interesting I first saw one sometime in the Late 1960 was made out of an 03 springfield on top of that it was a Mark I with a gas relief hole and a large hole in the left side rail of the action . [:(!][V][xx(] I knew it was not for me but it did look Cool . I had a chance to shoot a Steyr AUG and was really impressed on how easy it was to hold on target offhand I guess because of the weight is close to your shoulder not supported by your left arm. I shoot Bulls-Eye Pistol one handed fairly well but this Bull-Pup design has Piqued my interest.just wanted to know why the name.
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Can't help with the history, but I do know BULLdogs have pups.[:p][:I] 0 -
I don't know who coined the name, but there were bullpups being built in the 1950s if not the 1940s on the readily available WW II surplus rifles. 0 -
Perry Shooter,
"6.5 mm French Faucon-Meunier", as the first semi-auto bullpup, Though a bolt action came prior, and the name coined first for a pistol before the rifle!
So says Wikipedia, commonly known in some circles as the encyclopedia of mis-information?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull-pup
Interesting question. Let's see what others know.
45er
EDIT Oops, the pistol was made much later, circa 19570 -
Generally the action and magazine are behind the trigger. 0 -
Yep, you want to be conservative in loading a bullpup built on, say, a Spanish Mauser. The chamber is right in your face. 0 -
From one of my favorite authors...
WHY BULLPUPS?
c Anthony G Williams
"During the Second World War it became obvious that the bolt-action rifles used as standard by all armies except the USA were obsolescent. In fact, the German StG 44, which was in widespread service by the end of the war, emphasised the advantages of automatic as well as semi-automatic fire. The logic of this led several countries to copy the German approach and develop less powerful cartridges generating less recoil, to permit more controllable automatic fire.
An automatic rifle could also fulfil the role of a sub-machine gun, except for its excessive length. The British were therefore attracted to the idea of a rifle which was made much shorter than standard (while retaining the same barrel length) by mounting the action far back in the stock, which would enable it to replace the SMG as well as the rifle: this is known as the "bullpup" layout. Bolt-action rifles of this type had been made as early as the 19th century, and it seems that the name "bullpup" was applied to such guns in the USA in the 1920s, although the exact origin is obscure. "
There is more, use this link:
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/bullpups.htm
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I would think that the development of new weapons were do to the lighter weight weapon and bing able to carry more of the light weight ammo than recoil.
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quote:Originally posted by perry shooter
I know a particular Style of rifle is called a "BULL-PUP". Normally with the receiver much further back toward the shooter shoulder with the trigger group under the barrel or front of receiver . My question is who first made this type of rifle and how did it come to be named BULL-PUP [?][?][?] Bulls don't have puppies. [:I]
Bull-DOGS have puppies, and bulldog puppies are called (not surprisingly) "bullpups". Awwwwwwwwwwwww. . .so cute!
Perhaps the short blunt look of these sorts of guns reminded someone of a cute bulldog puppy.
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editThanks all. NONONSENCE Interesting I first saw one sometime in the Late 1960 was made out of an 03 springfield on top of that it was a Mark I with a gas relief hole and a large hole in the left side rail of the action . [:(!][V][xx(] I knew it was not for me but it did look Cool . I had a chance to shoot a Steyr AUG and was really impressed on how easy it was to hold on target offhand I guess because of the weight is close to your shoulder not supported by your left arm. I shoot Bulls-Eye Pistol one handed fairly well but this Bull-Pup design has Piqued my interest.just wanted to know why the name.
I'm not sure anyone knows the definitive etymology of the name "bullpup", but I know its been in use since at least the 1960s. As mentioned above, putting the gun action well behind the firing hand isn't a new concept.
Its interesting that there was also a recent thread on the bullpup Mossberg 500 shotgun. Apparently this design lets you cram the minimum legal barrel length of 18" into a full-capacity pump shotgun that ALSO meets the minimum legal overall length of 26"! In other words, this is about the shortest shotgun with a stock you can get legally without resorting to a NFA-licensed and restricted sawed-off shotgun.
In general, the main and biggest advantage of the bullpup design is just the shorter overall length.
The rear-heavy weight distribution can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on the personal preference of the shooter and what (if any) accessories are stuck onto the gun.0
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