Military Pistol Better Than M9?
Concerning the M9 as a military pistol I often question is there a better military pistol, having a steel frame and slide and can be of either 9x19mm or other common military caliber Warsaw or Nato and preferably be of a high magazine capacity to be comparatively similar?
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Sig 229/226 or HK USP 0 -
Well I am one who would say they never should have transitioned away from the .45; but some of the offerings in hi-cap .45s would get my vote.
This is going to be a question of preference.
So far as a platform goes, I think the M9 is as good as any, better than most.0 -
Prefer steel frames if possible... 0 -
CZ-75's are also a good choice. Don't see them carried much in this country but they're used all over the rest of the world. 0 -
There are a number of all-steel service (ie military) type guns in 9mm luger that are excellent.
"Better" is largely subjective. What is about the M9 that you don't like?
CZ75 in 9mm NATO and clones/variants are used by several military forces. The original can be carried condition one (ie "cocked and locked") and is excellent, being highly accurate, reliable, and ergonomic. This is my personal favorite.
Many individuals swear by the Sig P226 (and variants like 228/229), and this one is also highly reliable. I believe the Navy SEALs use this pistol.
Sig p210 is probably the "ultimate" 9mm luger, and not only is it all steel, but the entire gun (slide and frame) are machined from a single block of steel! These guns were used by the Danish and Swiss militaries for years. Unfortunately, cost ($2000 and up!) is prohibitive, and the older single-stack design is, practically speaking, obsolete in a modern 9mm service gun.
Browning Hi-Power and a few variants are still in military use (eg England uses it), and is an excellent 9mm, though its not clear to me that this gun holds up well to prolonged use of NATO/9mm+P type ammo.
Glock, HK, Walther P99, and others are good in their own ways, though these are polymer framed, and not all steel.0 -
Para Ordnance P14 in 45 ACP is my choice.
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Para Ordnance P14 in 45 ACP is my choice.
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P14-45 has a 14+1 capacity of .45acp (with no mag extentions). Can't beat that0 -
The reason the Beretta was chosen was not because it was the best, but because it passed the endurance tests, bid the lowest price and Beretta agreed to certain manufacturing conditions. Other pistols passed also. 0 -
Its not necessarily that I don't like it as I have shot it enough and had no problems with it; however I just want to see if there is a considerably 'better' gun, in terms of reliability, accuracy, durability and quality so that I am not possibly limiting myself to one military type pistol is all.
Could have sworn that the M9 had a steel frame, so its actually alloy then or are there both alloy and steel?0 -
If you can deal with its relatively fat grip, the Para-Ordinance P14 is a good gun, but its NOT a "military" gun, since so far as I know, its not issued to any military force on the planet and never has been.
The Canadian army, by the way, still uses the Browning Hi-Power in 9mm luger as its sidearm.
quote:Originally posted by milsurplus
Its not necessarily that I don't like it as I have shot it enough and had no problems with it; however I just want to see if there is a considerably 'better' gun, in terms of reliability, accuracy, durability and quality so that I am not possibly limiting myself to one military type pistol is all.
Could have sworn that the M9 had a steel frame, so its actually alloy then or are there both alloy and steel?
To answer these questions, the M9 uses a steel slide and an anodized aluminum (not actually alloy) frame. Its NOT an "all steel" gun. I believe there are older pre-M9 Berettas that use steel frames, but the M9 isn't one of these.
You're probably NOT going to find a 9mm luger that is MORE reliable than the Beretta (or not significantly more). Its about as reliable as you get in an automatic pistol. The SIG and Glock would be about equally reliable. CZ-75 is probably on par, too.
In terms of ACCURACY, there undoubtedly ARE guns more accurate than the Beretta (eg like the SIG P210, which is a match-quality pistol), but so what? Like most of these service pistols, the Beretta is plenty accurate for its intended purpose of shooting human targets at or under 25 yards, and it should be capable of delivering sub-3 inch groups at that range with good ammo. If you miss, its your fault, not the guns!
If you want a match quality gun for creating very small groups on paper then buy a match gun. Usually Americans go for accurized 1911s in this role.
I'd say that durability is the achilles heel of the Beretta. The aluminum frame is not the strongest, and will fail eventually, especially with lots of high pressure (ie NATO/+P) loads. But then again, this is true of MOST of the service pistols, including the Browning and SIG; the Beretta is just a little more susceptible to this than some.
Frankly, unless you INTEND to fire more than 30,000 rounds through your gun, I wouldn't worry about this, and if you do intend to, at that point ammo cost **FAR** exceeds gun cost. Just get yourself another pistol or frame.
Again, bottom line, you're probably not going to find a "better" military service gun than the M9/Beretta 92. What you **MIGHT** find is a gun that you LIKE better.
This largely comes down to personal preference. Do you like the way the gun fits your hand? Do you like the controls? Do you like the action type (ie double-action, single action, decocker, etc). Do you like the way the gun looks? Etc.
If you want to take away the restriction that the gun has to be used by a current military force, then you can open things up to other fairly high-quality guns including 1911s, Smith and Wesson autos, and others that you might like too.0 -
Well stated...
Ill stick with my Ruger 9 for all of the above.0
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