? For Bert,others.Win.1894
A friend of mine just purchased a Model 1894 SN# 74620.On the barrel it says nickel steel barrel,30 wcf on the barrel back by the receiver,also on the barrel is especially for smokeless powder.In front of the rear sight it has Winchester, New Haven Conn.It has a 26 inch full octagon barrel with a full length magazine tube.IMO it has been re-nickeled,you can see some minor pitting in the finish but is in pretty good condition the butt plate is curved with a nickel finish also.The wood is in good condition and the fit seems very good also,but I know nothing of these rifles.I will get pictures later to post.Any info I can pass on to him is greatly appreciated.I have no clue as to what he paid for it,or value.
Thanks HD
Thanks HD
0
-
MFG. 1914 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 260
MFG. 1914
According to Bert's factory records, it looks more like late 1899 or early 1900.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2452130 -
Hdcolt, contact Cody Firearms Museum and get a letter on the rifle.
It will go along way in confirming the originality of the rifle.
Good luck.0 -
quote:Originally posted by hdcolt51
A friend of mine just purchased a Model 1894 SN# 74620.On the barrel it says nickel steel barrel,30 wcf on the barrel back by the receiver,also on the barrel is especially for smokeless powder.In front of the rear sight it has Winchester, New Haven Conn.It has a 26 inch full octagon barrel with a full length magazine tube.IMO it has been re-nickeled,you can see some minor pitting in the finish but is in pretty good condition the butt plate is curved with a nickel finish also.The wood is in good condition and the fit seems very good also,but I know nothing of these rifles.I will get pictures later to post.Any info I can pass on to him is greatly appreciated.I have no clue as to what he paid for it,or value.
Thanks HD
Serial number 74620 went through the Polishing Room on November 15th, 1899. It was most likely assembled into a completed rifle and received in the warehouse in late November or early December of that year.
I believe that you are confusing the "NICKEL STEEL" marking with the finish type. The marking "NICKEL STEEL" refers to the steel alloy used for the barrel, and it was designed "ESPECIALLY FOR SMOKELESS POWDER".
The finish on the receiver, barrel, and magazine tube was originally "rust" bluing. If it now appears to be silver in color, that is because the bluing has most likely worn off. Pictures of the rifle will tell me the story.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 260
MFG. 1914
Whatever reference source it is that you are using, you really need to toss it in the trash bin.0 -
Thanks Bert,I will get pictures as soon as I can.Iam visiting my hometown where my friend lives and I did not bring a camera with me.I knew you would need to see pictures,Iam working on getting some from him.It has definetly been refinished.It is very bright and shiny
like a new nickeled gun.You can see some very small spots of pitting on the barrel in a few places and the refinish job filled them in.
Thanks again guys,pics in a few days.
HD0 -
sorry SIR bert. i was using the winchester dates of mfg. by GEORGE MADIS please tell me where i can find YOUR book so i am not such a dumb @ssquote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by 260
MFG. 1914
Whatever reference source it is that you are using, you really need to toss it in the trash bin.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 260
sorry SIR bert. i was using the winchester dates of mfg. by GEORGE MADIS please tell me where i can find YOUR book so i am not such a dumb @ssquote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by 260
MFG. 1914
Whatever reference source it is that you are using, you really need to toss it in the trash bin.
If you are truly serious about wanting a copy of my book, send me a PM and I will forward you an internet link to it... and yes, I did co-write a book that has the correct Model 1894 DOM information in it.
As an aside, I also spend a few weeks each year at the Cody Firearms Musuem... you know, the place where the actual factory records reside. I spend my time working in the Research Office as an official volunteer.0 -
Well Bert, it appears 260 got you on that....somwhere I read in a post that Madis was up to 4-5 years off, in his non researched, published dating. It looks like 260 has found some 14-15 year off stuff. Imagine what George could have done if they had cut and paste back then...hehehehe....[:D][:D][:D]
As an aside, please send me the link to your book(s), and look for them to show up at your door...of course I am going to ask for an original seal of authenticity!
Best
EDIT 1
Spider...I think Madis had various sets of information, that was all contradictory....perhaps a high set, then a low set, then maybe he done a data regression, and came up with an average...0 -
The oldguns.net website shows 1896, which is a lot closer than 15 years: http://oldguns.net/sn_php/winmods.htm
I thought that site used Madis' information but apparently not since 260 found 1914. However, I suspect he may possibly have added an extra digit to the serial number to arrive at that production year, i.e., when I entered 74620, it came up 1896. However, when I entered 746200, it came up 1914. Just a thought. In any event, Bert's numbers are reliable - as always.0 -
One can be right and tackful at the same time if he chooses.
260 was trying to help, no need to chastise him.0 -
quote:Originally posted by we_dig_it
One can be right and tackful at the same time if he chooses.
260 was trying to help, no need to chastise him.
If by pointing out to someone that the reference source they are using has problems with it is not "tactful" then so be it. My reply to 260 was not made with any intent to chastise, only to point out that his source of information has serious problems with it. My personal modus operandi is (and will always be) to be both frank and factual. If you or 260 want to see that as being "tactless", you are welcome to your own personal opinions.0
Please sign in to leave a comment.
Comments
12 comments