283 vs 289!! (longest VS thread?)
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I'd put my money on a 'D' Dart equiped with the 273. Dave[:D] 0 -
My 4 cyl. Chevy 11 could outrun my brothers big block Ford Fairlane every day. This is the way all car threads deterorite. People start making stupid claims and it goes down hill from there. How many of you can pick out the true parts of this thread?
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I don't care
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quote:Originally posted by use enough gun
I'd put my money on a 'D' Dart equiped with the 273. Dave[:D]
I had a '66 Dart GT convert with the 235 Horse 273/four speed.
The "D" Darts were the hot ticket, but no converts.
It had a single exhaust the really snorted.
Been looking for one I could afford for 15 years.
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quote:Originally posted by butchlambert
My 4 cyl. Chevy 11 could outrun my brothers big block Ford Fairlane every day. This is the way all car threads deterorite. People start making stupid claims and it goes down hill from there. How many of you can pick out the true parts of this thread?
Butch
Very few.
It appears that some have been hoodwinked by the GM PR department with regard to Duntov. The last thing Ed Cole was credited with was the Vega and that is a poor comparison to the Small Block engine.
Harley Earl* died in '69 and the title "Father of the Vette" was quickly passed on to Duntov (odd that he didn't rise to head Corvette until '68 - yet he is credited with a car that was introduced the year he started at GM. That's a neat trick)
As a former industry insider I can say that this sort of thing happens quite often and thus the true history is rewritten.
* Show of hands (no googling now) How many posters know who Harley Earl was?0 -
My recollection is that Harley Earl was a stylist, not an engine/chassis designer.
Memory, not wiki.
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quote:Originally posted by Colt Super
My recollection is that Harley Earl was a stylist, not an engine/chassis designer.
Memory, not wiki.
Doug
Actually Doug, he was both "stylist" and Engineer. The funny thing is, according to his son, he'd be laughing at this thread because he had no time to look at the past, he was too busy looking forward!0 -
So, he was an engine designer for GM ??
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quote:Originally posted by Colt Super
So, he was an engine designer for GM ??
Doug
No Harley Earl wasn't an engine designer for GM (but I bet he had a say in what the engine looked like - that is another thing that happens quite often - it's that pesky "form follows function" thang), but there are other, many other kinds of Engineers. Some even work for GM. Alex Tremulis is considered to have been another Stylist/Engineer, perhaps this is why a Degree in Transportation Design from Art Center is a Bachelors in Science NOT art.
But this is more in line with a discussion about Duntov and the Vette then it is about the original topic, and for that I apologize.0 -
quote:Originally posted by iceracerx
quote:Originally posted by butchlambert
My 4 cyl. Chevy 11 could outrun my brothers big block Ford Fairlane every day. This is the way all car threads deterorite. People start making stupid claims and it goes down hill from there. How many of you can pick out the true parts of this thread?
Butch
Very few.
It appears that some have been hoodwinked by the GM PR department with regard to Duntov. The last thing Ed Cole was credited with was the Vega and that is a poor comparison to the Small Block engine.
Harley Earl* died in '69 and the title "Father of the Vette" was quickly passed on to Duntov (odd that he didn't rise to head Corvette until '68 - yet he is credited with a car that was introduced the year he started at GM. That's a neat trick)
As a former industry insider I can say that this sort of thing happens quite often and thus the true history is rewritten.
* Show of hands (no googling now) How many posters know who Harley Earl was?
Here is a circle track article on the small block and they give credit to ed cole as the head engineer
http://www.circletrack.com/enginetech/ctrp_0206_chevy_small_block_engine/design_team.html0 -
Printed articles long after the fact are often just rehashing of misinformation IMO. It's nice that Circle Track recognized Ed Cole as the Chief Engineer (that means there was at least one VP above him overseeing things) for the SBC. And Ed's son David would have a conniption of that bit of history was changed.
The following is a perfect example of misinformation.
quote:In 1955, Ed Cole and a group of engineers got together and brought about the foundation of modern-day auto racing at a variety of levels with the development of the original small-block Chevy.
If the 265 was launched in 1955, it's safe to say that a group didn't get together that year and dream up a production engine. The last "cradle to grave" engine design I had anything to do with took 3 years just to create running prototypes and another 2 to reach production.
I'll stick with my own insider knowledge and the knowledge of people that I actually know that were Engine Designers/stylists/sculptors/etc at GM during this period.0 -
The 'Fathers' of the Small-Block Let's take a look at the "father" of the small-block Chevy, Ed Cole. Cole was Chevy's chief engineer when the small-block was born. After supervising the development of the Cadillac overhead-valve V-8, Cole arrived at Chevrolet in 1952. When he got to Chevrolet, he found a 231-cid V-8 engine being developed to mirror the Caddy powerplant, and he immediately scrapped that plan in favor of a lightweight, compact and powerful engine that became the small-block V-8 0 -
FoMoCo 289!!!!!!! 0 -
I had 57 Ford with a 312 and two 4 barrels I used for a drag car back in the late 60s.I had everything I could do to it and still run stock class.It was fast,I thought.Small block Chevys blew my doors off.I tore back into it and used pop up pistons after market cam and had the heads shaved.It was cheating but I still ran in stock class.It turned better time,but those damn small block Chevys(probably also cheating)would still beat the snot out of my beloved Ford.One of the old time drag racers must have felt sorry for me and told me because of the Fords Y-block vs the Chevys small block weight to horse power ratio I was fighting a loosing battle.The 289 was much improved over the 312.For hot rodding nothing beats a small block Chevy for horsepower per dollar. 0 -
289 by a hole shot![:D]
But, why go small when you can go big. The Ford F-series blocks were my favorites. You just can't beat the 427 SOHC.[:p]
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quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
289 by a hole shot![:D]
But, why go small when you can go big. The Ford F-series blocks were my favorites. You just can't beat the 427 SOHC.[:p]
Trinity +++
YEAH !!!
Order me up a couple, willya ??
Doug
* weren't they actually "FE" blocks ??0 -
Guys, this can go on forever. Both engines have been factory produced in great cars. Both have been modified for great race engines. So what? Let's talk about the average gear head. What is the engine of choice (along with upgrades) for over 50 years? And then there is the HP/$ as buddy said. That goes right along w/ the popularity. 0 -
Colt Super
The ECG heads were and are the way to go on a Y block, until this year. Charled Mummert, in Califiornia, has just come out with new aluminum heads for the Y block. They are expensive, at about $2000 for a set with valves and springs, but the cost of having ECG heads rebuilt and ported is not cheap eather. Considering puting a set on the Bird.
buddyb
Not sure why your '57 was not competitive, but mine sure was. If I couldn't beat them, I was at least never embarrased by them.0 -
Hats off in celebration of the 283: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWdmi1rHO5ghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJcw4yoIseo0 -
Just a note to further PO you FORD lovers.
While FORD was busy introducing the 289 in 1962, Chevrolet introduced the 327 cu in v8, which in a "Fuelie" Vette pumped out a claimed 360 hp (I thought it was 327/327 like the 283/283 but my GM engine engineer bud told me otherwise.)
Something tells me that a 327 Fuelie Vette might have hung with Top's T Bolt.0 -
quote:Originally posted by iceracerx
Just a note to further PO you FORD lovers.
While FORD was busy introducing the 289 in 1962, Chevrolet introduced the 327 cu in v8, which in a "Fuelie" Vette pumped out a claimed 360 hp (I thought it was 327/327 like the 283/283 but my GM engine engineer bud told me otherwise.)
Something tells me that a 327 Fuelie Vette might have hung with Top's T Bolt.
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quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
Colt Super
The ECG heads were and are the way to go on a Y block, until this year. Charled Mummert, in Califiornia, has just come out with new aluminum heads for the Y block. They are expensive, at about $2000 for a set with valves and springs, but the cost of having ECG heads rebuilt and ported is not cheap eather. Considering puting a set on the Bird.
buddyb
Not sure why your '57 was not competitive, but mine sure was. If I couldn't beat them, I was at least never embarrased by them.
Does he have a web site, or if not, do you have contact info ??
Man, it would be sooo cool to build another Y-Block !!
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quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
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Yes, Fish, thank the hot 289 and the humor of the 283's WATERMELLON CRAWL! [:D]0 -
So exactly why was the Chrysler 392 Hemi used so blatantly in nearly every top fuel dragster for like 30 years??? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by armilite1015
So exactly why was the Chrysler 392 Hemi used so blatantly in nearly every top fuel dragster for like 30 years???
Because it wasn't. The 426 Hemi surpassed the 392 when it was introduced in 1964. In fact Don Garlits built a "sling shot" dragster with a 426 IN 1964. Anyone in top fuel was wise to follow what the Swamp Rat was doing.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
Anybody remember the Hertz rent-a-racer?
Pick it up on friday,recurve the distributor and return it on monday.[}:)]
Dennis, I think Hertz has reintroduced a new version. And YES I remember those sweet Black and Gold beauties.0 -
Colt Super
the website is www.ford-y-block.com. also look at y-blocks forever. Also look at Y-Block Magazine. No website. email is yblockmag@yahoo.com. You would be amazed at how fast the y-block powered cars are running today. Better cams, good alminium intake, all sorts of goodies. feel free to email me.0 -
Thanks for the info Ron.
You have an email from me.
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"Hell, even the long-forgotten - but GREAT - AMC V-8, with displacements from 290 to 401 cubic inches - owed its' success to the SBC."
No takers ??
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Just sent to me by a GB Friend:
And on the Seventh Day the Lord did walk close to his Thunderbolt, and it came to pass that he popped the hood, to gaze upon the race-prepped 427 He had created, and He saw that it was good. There were 8 venturis upon the aluminum intake, gilded flags upon the aluminum fenders, and this too was good.
So the Lord closed the blessed hood and did drive from the garden of Dearborn, until He came to the house of Chevrolet, where Satan was again lamenting that his camshaft had once again walked through the tin can timing cover.
And the Lord didst ask "Why art thou persisting with such mechanical heresy? Turn thee to the light, and see that the Oval is Blue".
And Satan grunted, for his waterpump-on-a-stick didst fall upon him, he was of foul humour, and he knew that weak small blocks and rear-mounted distributors would not cure the ills he had passed onto gullible men.
Seeing this, the Lord didst spin His tires all the way into 4th gear, and lo Satan was enshrouded in a curious blue mist that not being of oil, didst confuse him, and he was unable to see the light through the heavenly cloud of burning rubber and the smell of leaded race fuel.
And so it came to pass that Satan remained loyal to the house of Chevrolet, wasting away whilst his manufacturing facilities churned out engine blocks forged from recycled Corona bottle caps.
Doug0
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