Big argument with dad. Need help
Alright. I have a 35 Remington that has been re-chambered to a 358 Winchester. It is only a 16 inch barrel but has a 1:16 in twist. the 35 Remington mainly uses a 200 grain bullet but the velocity is significantly less of the 358, which lets the barrel stabilize the bullet. Even if I reload a 180 grain bullet for the 358, I don't believe it will stabilize the round. What are your guys thoughts?
I have a scope on it and I might reload some shortly (depends on how much work I need to do) but should I even reload the 358 or save the powder and primers? Oh yea the rifle is a Remington 760 pump re-chambered to a 358 win. Thanks a lot guys!
-JD
I have a scope on it and I might reload some shortly (depends on how much work I need to do) but should I even reload the 358 or save the powder and primers? Oh yea the rifle is a Remington 760 pump re-chambered to a 358 win. Thanks a lot guys!
-JD
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uni82:
That's just some stuff I found when I too was looking for a new caliber long-gun. I fail to understand how firearms manufacturers get away with producing rifles that only meet general criteria and accommodate only minimal or a limited choice of bullet weights. I know that is not the case with your question but I came to the conclusion from my research that, when looking for out-of-the-box accuracy and a larger range of bullet weight stability without buying numerous firearms of the same caliber, Savage is the only logical choice.
Then came the disparity of barrel lengths (which you inquired about) offered and what affect that would have related to the caliber and twist rate. It certainly explains WHY a different choice in bullet design or bullet weight can make accuracy good, better, best or just plain lousy. Have you ever heard a shooters say, after many boxes of expensive ammo, how their rifle loves a certain bullet, load, factory ammo or whatever?? That seems to be a function of buying a name-brand rifle and then finding something it was designed to shoot well. I have numerous rifles of the same caliber that all shoot differently with the same factory load. That's why reloading is fun.
Now I've taken a different route and decided what range of bullet weights and type of bullets I can easily find, like, and perform well and then find a gun that will accommodate them with the best out-of-box accuracy. My next new rifle will be a Savage. I also found there aren't may used ones available, as is the case with the more popular name brands, which also tells me something.
Anyway, I hope things work out with your .358. Have you gotten your Arisaka yet???
Sandwarrior, or anyone else:
Do you have any thoughts on my reasoning above???0 -
Wagon Wheel,
Got the arisaka. It is a type 99 made in Nagoya. I am absolutely pumped!!!!! I'm almost 100% positive that it is NOT a last ditch rifle. I had a gunsmith check it out, and it is goooooood to go. I am sooo stoked to squeeze the trigger. But i have a while. I need reloading dies, .312 pills, brass, powder. Load finding.
I have to save up for a wedding...... but until then i'm pretty pumped to add it to my collection!
I'm getting 358 tips here soon, 180 hornady's. I have extra powder (that the load's recipe that i found calls for)and primers so I will update everyone when i breakdown my reloading table and bring it to my new home (just moved) so yea, that will be a while too.
Thanks for all your help and again, you guys are amazing for knowledge and experiences. I am glad to be part of gun broker community and learn all this new material for a newbi re loader (only 23 years old) Thanks!
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Wagon Wheel,
I like your thinking. I just wish sometimes I could get someone on Madison Avenue to actually think that way. Think about what shoots great bullet-wise first. Then build the rifle around that. What we always see is a compromise. Never a full-on specific task dedicated rifle...except Savage. It always seemed like in the past when Winchester and Remington were into building a very few heavy barrels they were more interested in them becoming some kind high grade/collector type rifle instead of a long range work-horse, like the 700 and 70 were to the every day crowd.
Even still there are improvements manufacturers could make. Time will tell.0 -
uni82:
quote:I had a gunsmith check it out, and it is goooooood to go. I am sooo stoked to squeeze the trigger. But I have a while. I need reloading dies, .312 pills, brass, powder. Load finding.
I can't help with the dies because I need mine. I have two sets of RCBS dies (not for sale). I also have two of the Lee Classic Loaders, (not for sale either) which I finally found on E-Bay. I have those Classic Loaders for every caliber weapon I own and whole heartedly recommend getting one, if you can find one. Being portable and packed in a small box makes them very versitile. All you need is a 16 oz. mallet. The dippers are accurate enough if used properly but a small (jewellers) electronic scale also works well as long as the batteries last.
As for load finding, no problem. This is a basic article about the Arisaka but it does include Load data with a range of powders and bullet weights. It also addresses some safety issues and describes how to form cases from 30-06 brass.
The 7.7 Arisaka
This World War II classic is efficient, accurate and a heck of a lot of fun to load for.
By Bob Forker Posted: 2008-09
Categories: Reloading, Reloading, Rifles, Ammo,
Source Page:
The 7.7 Arisaka | Reloading
http://www.gunsandammo.com/content/the-77-arisaka
I highly recommend you have a good manual so:
My Hornady manual has 7.7 Jap load data for powders NOT found on the above list. And, my 1966 Speer #7 (and #8 -1970) Manual has load data for a 100 gr. plinker, 150 and 180 gr. Bullets, again NOT found on the above list. The New Speer has NO Data 7.7 Jap and neither does the Nosler. The Sierra and Lee Manuals also have 7.7 Jap load data.
quote:I have to save up for a wedding...... but until then I'm pretty pumped to add it to my collection!
Ahhhh. to be 23 again. (And know what I know now about life and other stuff.) Congratulations, when's the ceremony??0 -
The ceremony is June 25th 2011!!!! I've got time. We have been engaged since October 15th. I proposed on the SEARS tower in chicago on her birthday. We were 1200 feet in the air on a piece of glass. We have been together since 2005. Thanks again for the links and all the information!
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If you're going to shoot 180 Gr. bullets in a .358 ,I must ask why . a .308 will shoot 180s much better , better BC , better penetration . The .358 shines from 200 to 225 Gr. I prefer the 220s and 225s . That has been my observation from several years of loading and shooting the .358 ! 0
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