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DISCLOSE Act sellout: NRA says you just don't understand
June 19, 5:22 PM
Charlotte Gun Rights Examiner
Paul Valone
`DISCLOSE Act' maelstrom leads Speaker Pelosi to stall vote on bill: Redouble your efforts to kill HR 5175.
Responding to the maelstrom it created by selling out gun rights supporters on the misnamed "DISCLOSE Act," the NRA is now sending forth a propaganda brigade of NRA board members and other apologists to convince you that you just don't understand.
Given the NRA's probable bleed of hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of dollars in cancelled memberships, statements issued by NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox to the effect that it doesn't "support" HR 5175 are not surprising.
But unfortunately, this is a game of semantics: Nobody has accused the NRA of supporting attempts to muzzle gun groups during elections. What Politico, The Washington Post and others are reporting is that the NRA is removing opposition to the bill. And the fact is that the NRA is the big gorilla of lobbying; if it removes its opposition, passage of a law to muzzle other pro-gun and conservative organizations is all but assured. They have neatly thrown you under the bus.
Then we have the indignant (if somewhat addled) statement from NRA First Vice President David Keene which adds little to the debate:
"I can assure you that I would never countenance a `deal' of the sort you think the NRA made with Congress to further Democratic attempts to restrict political speech. I consider such restrictions to be not only repugnant, but blatantly unconstitutional, an opinion shared by NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and Institute for Legislative Action Executive Director Chris Cox."
Meanwhile, NRA board members on various gun rights forums are running a propaganda campaign that sticks very closely to the official talking points.
FORMER NRA PRESIDENT:
YOU AREN'T BRIGHT ENOUGH TO GET IT
But none can top the rationalization offered by the NRA's immediate past president John C. Sigler in a statement to the "Fifty Caliber Institute," of which he is president. Being forwarded to gun lists by at least some NRA board members, it is entitled "Checkers, Chess or Politics a la Mister Spock? EXAMINING NRA's RESPONSE to DISCLOSE ACT" and covers the usual NRA semantics about not "supporting" HR 5175.
To Sigler's credit, he accurately relays the many free speech perils of the DISCLOSE Act - albeit expressing them as hazards to the NRA, when in reality they are hazards to all political organizations. But the crux of Sigler's rationalization seems to be that this is an " three dimensional chess" game that you just couldn't be expected to understand:
"Before you criticize NRA for understanding that this isn't your grandpa's checker game or even your college dean's chess game, you need to thank them for treating this as an extremely complex exercise more akin to Mister Spock's three dimensional chess. A chess game [sic] demanding a very sophisticated and highly intellectual approach to the very serious problem at hand."
That would be a "sophisticated and highly intellectual approach" utterly beyond your capabilities, of course.
WHY SIGLER'S RATIONALIZATION DOESN'T CUT IT
The "you don't have the big picture" argument has been a staple of NRA responses to its membership for many years. Recognize it for what it is: A weapon to shut you up.
The crux of the "three dimensional chess" argument is that the NRA is executing a "poison pill" amendment to kill the bill, as it presumably did in adding language to the DC Voting Rights Act which would have gutted the District of Columbia's draconian gun laws.
But this is not a similarly "no risk" strategy: Only idiots would have failed to anticipate the response of pro-gun conservatives to the NRA carve-out from HR 5175. LaPierre and Cox aren't stupid enough to fail to recognize the damage it would cause the NRA.
Edited ONLY to shorten link.
DISCLOSE Act sellout: NRA says you just don't understand
June 19, 5:22 PM
Charlotte Gun Rights Examiner
Paul Valone
`DISCLOSE Act' maelstrom leads Speaker Pelosi to stall vote on bill: Redouble your efforts to kill HR 5175.
Responding to the maelstrom it created by selling out gun rights supporters on the misnamed "DISCLOSE Act," the NRA is now sending forth a propaganda brigade of NRA board members and other apologists to convince you that you just don't understand.
Given the NRA's probable bleed of hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of dollars in cancelled memberships, statements issued by NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox to the effect that it doesn't "support" HR 5175 are not surprising.
But unfortunately, this is a game of semantics: Nobody has accused the NRA of supporting attempts to muzzle gun groups during elections. What Politico, The Washington Post and others are reporting is that the NRA is removing opposition to the bill. And the fact is that the NRA is the big gorilla of lobbying; if it removes its opposition, passage of a law to muzzle other pro-gun and conservative organizations is all but assured. They have neatly thrown you under the bus.
Then we have the indignant (if somewhat addled) statement from NRA First Vice President David Keene which adds little to the debate:
"I can assure you that I would never countenance a `deal' of the sort you think the NRA made with Congress to further Democratic attempts to restrict political speech. I consider such restrictions to be not only repugnant, but blatantly unconstitutional, an opinion shared by NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and Institute for Legislative Action Executive Director Chris Cox."
Meanwhile, NRA board members on various gun rights forums are running a propaganda campaign that sticks very closely to the official talking points.
FORMER NRA PRESIDENT:
YOU AREN'T BRIGHT ENOUGH TO GET IT
But none can top the rationalization offered by the NRA's immediate past president John C. Sigler in a statement to the "Fifty Caliber Institute," of which he is president. Being forwarded to gun lists by at least some NRA board members, it is entitled "Checkers, Chess or Politics a la Mister Spock? EXAMINING NRA's RESPONSE to DISCLOSE ACT" and covers the usual NRA semantics about not "supporting" HR 5175.
To Sigler's credit, he accurately relays the many free speech perils of the DISCLOSE Act - albeit expressing them as hazards to the NRA, when in reality they are hazards to all political organizations. But the crux of Sigler's rationalization seems to be that this is an " three dimensional chess" game that you just couldn't be expected to understand:
"Before you criticize NRA for understanding that this isn't your grandpa's checker game or even your college dean's chess game, you need to thank them for treating this as an extremely complex exercise more akin to Mister Spock's three dimensional chess. A chess game [sic] demanding a very sophisticated and highly intellectual approach to the very serious problem at hand."
That would be a "sophisticated and highly intellectual approach" utterly beyond your capabilities, of course.
WHY SIGLER'S RATIONALIZATION DOESN'T CUT IT
The "you don't have the big picture" argument has been a staple of NRA responses to its membership for many years. Recognize it for what it is: A weapon to shut you up.
The crux of the "three dimensional chess" argument is that the NRA is executing a "poison pill" amendment to kill the bill, as it presumably did in adding language to the DC Voting Rights Act which would have gutted the District of Columbia's draconian gun laws.
But this is not a similarly "no risk" strategy: Only idiots would have failed to anticipate the response of pro-gun conservatives to the NRA carve-out from HR 5175. LaPierre and Cox aren't stupid enough to fail to recognize the damage it would cause the NRA.
Edited ONLY to shorten link.
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wsfiredude:
I'm soooo. Sick and tired of being told I'm not smart enough to understand these "Complex" issues. And the rub is it comes from people, too smart, to comprehend simple terms such as "Shall NOT Be Infringed".0 -
quote:Originally posted by Wagon Wheel
wsfiredude:
I'm soooo. Sick and tired of being told I'm not smart enough to understand these "Complex" issues. And the rub is it comes from people, too smart, to comprehend simple terms such as "Shall NOT Be Infringed".
What? You vassels get BACK in line, or ELSE. You silly minions couldn't POSSIBLELY understand the complexities of law.
Great post Shane.0 -
"we're playing three dimensional chess"
What a bunch of self-important douche bags...0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
"we're playing three dimensional chess"
What a bunch of self-important douche bags...
Well, fox believes it.
Of course, he is likely a paid NRA shill, so there you have it.
On the bright side, this will wake up another handful of 'NRA faithful' to the anti-Constitution game being played.[:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
"we're playing three dimensional chess"
What a bunch of self-important douche bags...
Yup, tr fox gets it, the rest of us pea brains, just can't.0 -
Tr is like the bad guy in a kung-fu movie.....he takes an incredible amount of punishment, and just keeps wading back in....staying "on message" the entire time, regardless of how damning the evidence.
If fox isn't being paid by the NRA, he should be.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
Tr is like the bad guy in a kung-fu movie.....he takes an incredible amount of punishment, and just keeps wading back in....staying "on message" the entire time, regardless of how damning the evidence.
If fox isn't being paid by the NRA, he should be.0
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