22 RAT SHOT RESULTS
I fired my Taurus PT-22 at the center of a 8.5x11 sheet of paper from 6 feet. It made a uniform pattern that covered the sheet. So, if I were carrying a small 22 revolver (NAA) with a 2" barrel, I would load it 3 rounds with shot. If your problem gets as close as 6 feet just point at the face and shoot. It would be sure to blind. That is as good as a one shot stopper.
Is this a good plan?
Is this a good plan?
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a good plan ? NO !! you would be sued for everything you own or ever will own.
personally i would kill my attacker, remember this; "dead men tell no tales", so it is your word plus the evidence that will clear you of a wrongful death.0 -
It's called "bird shot", not "rat shot", for good reason: it's not likely to do any more than annoy a rat, or anything larger.
While the NAA is better than nothing, it's close to the bottom of my personal defense list. Most Close Encounters of the Worst Kind last 1-3 seconds; with an awkward little single action revolver, one round is likely all you will be able to fire. If that round doesn't end the problem, you may be in deep Obama.
OTOH, I have been known to load my .38 DA revolver with the first round a .38 shot cap, although I would aim the first round at the zipper.
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I keep half my 63 S&W loaded with CCI bird shot and within 15 foot whatever get hits stays down. Use it a lot on 13 striped chipmunks and never had one run or crawl off... Rats either.. 0 -
I had to go with a revolver because I don't think an auto would cycle. However I left room for solid bullets to finish the job. 0 -
i like my mini revolver in the mag cal..i can get off the 5 shots quick.. 0 -
In my opinion this is a BAD idea for the following reasons:
a. Lets say your attacker is SEVEN feet away. Now your gun is worthless.
b. Lets say your attacker is only TWO feet away. Now in order for your gun to do anything you have to bring it up to his eye level. That may not be possible or practical. Again, now your gun is worthless.
c. Lets say your attacker is wearing sunglasses (or any glasses). Now your gun is worthless.
d. Lets say right when you fire your attacker sneezes, turns his head, or even just puts his hands in front of his eyes. Now you've wasted a shot AND potentially pissed off your attacker more.
e. In my experience so-called "rat shot" (which is more like butterfly shot, since frankly, I doubt the .22 stuff is even powerful enough to kill a rat more than three feet away) won't cycle most .22 autos reliably. Fire once, you have to manually eject the round or clear a jam. Taurus Pt-22s are notoriously unreliable with REAL ammo. Are you going to trust your life to the reliability of this gun with ratshot? I wouldn't.
f. When you draw a gun on someone, you're assuming all legal responsibility (civil AND criminal) of using deadly force. Only with your rat-shot you've got the LIABILITY of deadly force without actually HAVING the deadly force available! Why are you cheating yourself this way?
If you shoot someone and blind them. . .you are potentially in DEEP caca. Lets say the shooting isn't perfectly "clean" (ie one of the shootees friends claims you started the fight). Or even lets say it is. Now this goblin you shot is sitting blinded, with dark sunglasses on, in front of a jury, while his baby mama and the four kids are sitting there too, and YOU are the one with the money and the job.
If you don't want to shoot someone, then FOR PETE'S SAKE DON'T CARRY A LOADED GUN AROUND WITH YOU FOR SELF DEFENSE. Go get yourself some pepper spray instead. That will do basically what you want to do with the rat-shot, only better, legally, and without the same kind of civil liability.0 -
If you are going to point a gun at someone, be prepared to kill them. Not wound, not scare,.....KILL If you are trying to just wound or blind, they will sue and probably win. If you are not prepared to kill, don't carry a gun, get a taser or pepper spray. 0 -
Years ago up on the farm had a cousin, that figured 22 bird shot would be the cat's meow.
He'd been using rifle with LR, then L, then shorts. Both he and his father were concerned that no one get hit by the rounds, didn't want to have holes in the equipment, nor thru the roofs of the buildings!
They had big problems with English sparrows, pigeons, and many mice & rats (the rodent type). He was a decent shot, used both pistol and rifle. Stated that with the pistol he'd hit his target, but if not within six feet or less, they'd just leave in a hurry. Not able to get within that distance actual rodents, but not killed at greater than 5-6 foot ever! (I'd not want an actual rat closer to me.)
I recall him reporting to his Dad and Uncle that the only way that he'd figured to kill them with that set-up was to tackle, wrestle and hold the critters down, put the muzzle in their ear and keep pulling the trigger until they eventually stopped fighting!
I could see using 22 shot only on something mighty small, mighty close in. I'm sure that by being up very close and personal, crossing your fingers, holding your mouth just so, picking your shot and hoping a bunch, one might manage to kill something larger than a butterfly or moth.
If ever used against game animals there would never be a reason nor excuse.
Against another person, I'm near certain one would be bought up on charges and 9 and a half times out of 10 ... would lose. I'm near certain something along the lines of intentional maiming, etc, etc, would be in a long list of charges.
For in the home defense it is difficult to argue with a dependable 12 gauge, and difficult to top it as well.
I have no need to stress that most knowledgeable people would state the fact that a .22 revolver or pistol, is lacking in many, many ways as a "self defense" firearm. (PERIOD)
IF, for some unfanthonable reason, I were carrying that sort of firearm ... it would be loaded with the hottest .22LR Hollow Points available. (PERIOD)
If in fear for ones life ... one is usually best off to kill the other party. Just as USN_Airdale stated quote:"dead men tell no tales"
Of a similar bent is the notion that as a general rule ... "dead don't sue ..."
Deadly force may be warranted in "fear for life" situations, maiming is not ... (IMVHO)0 -
Bamovol.....on my workbench I have several weapons. One is a Taurus 38 loaded with shotshells as you describe for critters such as snakes and such. Rats? I have been rat hunting in my other life and let me tell you, those shotshells would bounce off a junkyard rat. Heck, I have seen them just flinch when hit with CCI hollowpoints and just keep on going! For two legged critters that you describe...those who are coming after me, they get either the 12g with OOBuck or the 1911A1 loaded with Hardball. Shotshells? A "...one shot stopper?" No way. Suggest that if you want to TCOB, don't use halfhearted measures. Defeating an attacker is serious business and requires a serious reply. Don't point a weapon at someone that you are not prepared to take out. 0 -
Good advice here. Decide if you want to maim and lose it all. Or go to extremes and do the world a favor. 0
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