Son wants to join the Army
A proud dad wanting to brag on his son and at the same time I'd like a couple of questions answered. My son and his friend decided they want to join the army and then go Airborne. I know how the buddy thing works. If everything falls into place they may go to boot camp and maybe the other schools together. No big deal to me even though it may be for him. But can the recruiter garantee Airborne school this early. Isn't that something that is only avilable to top performers of the infantry school after boot. Secondly the buddy has to get 15 college units to make up for the fact that he is going to an alternative learning center and my son decided that he would go get 15 college units also. Will this 15 hours give my son any advantage over going in without them. Thanks for your help
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Regarding whether the recruiter or MEPS provides the contract......
I left recruiting in 2005. After three years followed by a year of involuntary extension, I had enough. It was the hours, not the folks. Okay, I lied.
Anyways. MEPS used to provide the contract. Things were changing as I was leaving though. They were shifting to a point-of-sale type of system where the recruiter could guarantee the contract in writing right there in the office. I don't know if it made it through the pilot program or if it reverted back to the old system. That's why I NEVER promised anything in the recruiting office. I never tried to convince someone they wanted one MOS or another.
I used to take the line scores generated by the ASVAB (assuming their physical went well)and run them through a computer program that another recruiter developed. That spit out all the MOS's they were qualified for simply based on their test scores. Assuming they didn't have any law violations in their background and they had normal color vision and all the rest, I told them to pick 3 MOS's and I would do all the work of getting them to MEPS and through the enlistment process. If none of those 3 MOS's showed up on the system, I wouldn't have any hard feelings if they decided not to enlist. On the other hand, they gave me their word they would enlist if one of those three showed up on the system as having available training slots. It was a test of their commitment so nobody would be wasting anybody's time. As they said in Glengarry Glenn Ross (SP?), some people just like to talk to salesmen. I was looking for people who weren't in it just to shop around and waste taxpayer money.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 11B2P
quote:Originally posted by jasonc14
if he wants to be in the deepest doo doo, join the Marine Corps
if he wants a middle ground then the army is prob the way to go.
Are you freakin kidding me?!? You ever hear of the korangal valley or the arghandab...
If that man's son wants to be a Paratrooper, he will go to some no s**t hostile places.
The 82nd Airborne...is middle of the road?....hmmm yeah ok.. come to any Parachute Infantry Regiment here at bragg and tell us that.
Oh fyi ive had the pleasure of working with some Airforce JTACS, some of thee most hardest working group of guys i ever met.
My money says you are a new boot cherry... and if you keep talking, might find yourself in some "deep doo doo".
Stay in your lane cherry
Korangal Valley huh? Funny, I don't remember seeing any 82nd guys up there. [V]0 -
After just getting out of the army after four years and being a CPT I will give you my thoughts. One nice thing about the Army is they can guarentee you your job or MOS. They also can do airborne school. But I would say thats not as much as guarentee as it is a promise. A lot of schools like airborne have been getting yanked lately, to be frank it cost money and time and they need soldiers on the frontline not in schools. Alot of it might depend on where he goes theres only a couple airborne units 82nd and 173rd out of vicenza italy probably a few more but nothing big. So if they give him a slot they will more and likely send him to an airborne unit. But one thing the army doesnt guarentee is unit or post. So lets say he gets assinged Fort Drum(where i came from) which is 10th MTN light infantry. Well we werent airborne so if by chance he gets assinged that and he has airborne orders chances are they might get cut. I didnt see a whole lot of new PVT's showing up with jump wings. Now as far as buddies go they can guarentee them same basic training etc. But I would think same unit would really be stretch dont matter what they tell you. I also went to basic and they had that buddy program, well when you get basic you go to inprocessing than to basic once you to basic you will all get put into a BN which could be 400-800 soldiers, each BN has 4-5 companies each company has 3-5 platoons. I saw plenty guys get to basic together but once you get to actual basic you could be in the same BN but not same company or same company but not same platoon. So the actual chance of going to basic getting the same bunk etc is a FAR STRETCH, trust me. I would tell your son if hes joing the Army which is a good choice specially these days and if you dont plan on doing college. But do it because he wants to not because he wants to go on a camp out with a buddy.
Also tell him to think about what he wants. If he wants hardcore USMC all the way although there is some hardcore in the army just not as much. If he wants a good technical job Air Force or Navy. personally if I had to do it again I would have done AF. Also tell him to think about his job that he wants, if the army might not be something that he wants to do forever he might want to do something like Supply,communication etc. To be frank I saw a lot of guys get out that were Infantry after four years and they really dont have a transferable job skill. You still get GI bill and stuff and some go to college. 15 college credits wont do anything. He can probably pull off E-2 by talking to recruiter. You need a degree to go in as a SPC or E-4 and I think E-3 you need like 50-60 credits. So dont do it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bongiovanni275
quote:Originally posted by 11B2P
quote:Originally posted by jasonc14
if he wants to be in the deepest doo doo, join the Marine Corps
if he wants a middle ground then the army is prob the way to go.
Are you freakin kidding me?!? You ever hear of the korangal valley or the arghandab...
If that man's son wants to be a Paratrooper, he will go to some no s**t hostile places.
The 82nd Airborne...is middle of the road?....hmmm yeah ok.. come to any Parachute Infantry Regiment here at bragg and tell us that.
Oh fyi ive had the pleasure of working with some Airforce JTACS, some of thee most hardest working group of guys i ever met.
My money says you are a new boot cherry... and if you keep talking, might find yourself in some "deep doo doo".
Stay in your lane cherry
Korangal Valley huh? Funny, I don't remember seeing any 82nd guys up there. [V]
Your all weak 10th MTN light Infantry baby. No j/k 82nd deploys a ton not as much as 1BCT 10th MTN which is the most deployed BDE in the Army. I think the BDE has 5 deployments since 01. Anyways whatever you were it sucked over there in whatever job you did some worse than others. Wat people dont think is somebody like a cook who doesnt have a hardcore job probably has one of the worst jobs in the army or a mechanic who has to sit outside and fix trucks 12hrs a day0 -
Yeah?
What years were you with "10th MTN?" Got a few friends over there.
Oh, and you "think?" [V]0 -
07-till now. Yeah I think. One the IN BN was the first regular unit into afghanista. There been three tours to afghanistan and 2 to iraq since to its basically every other year for the last ten years not to many others that can say that. Also if you go back 1BCT was in Somalia, Destert storm, Bosnia, hurricane andrew 0 -
Haha. [:D]
Yeah, 10th MTN did have some good tours. Just can't see the 10th calling any other unit weak.... All I hear from people I knew that went there after their tour in Italy/Germany said it's ridiculous.
Plus, we ripped you out. You ripped us out.
An unimpressive bunch, to say the least.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bongiovanni275
Haha. [:D]
Yeah, 10th MTN did have some good tours. Just can't see the 10th calling any other unit weak.... All I hear from people I knew that went there after their tour in Italy/Germany said it's ridiculous.
Plus, we ripped you out. You ripped us out.
An unimpressive bunch, to say the least.
yeah who knows i mean to be honest I thought 25ID sucked and thought 101 sucked and 82nd were a bunch of tards. I think its a unit pride thing. To be honest with you if I had my choice though I would probably stick with 18th airborne guys, 82nd,101, 10th. We were around some armor guys and nasty guard and not my choice of battles.0 -
Where were in Afghanistan? 0 -
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