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W. Moore Shotgun

butcherbuoy
I have a old double barrel with exposed hammers, I think 12 ga. Shotgun. On the rib is stamped W. Moore & Co. London Laminated Steel. All the steel around the receiver is engraved and behind the Hammers on both sided is stamped W.Moore & Co. The removable Forearm, the bottom of the barrels and the metal flat part below the barrels are stamped 8805, matching numbers. The Stock is badly broken around the receiver and it has a badly worn leather butt plate.

Does anyone have info on this gun
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  • MIKE WISKEY
    no "for sale" posts" on the forum, I suggest you list the shotgun on the auction side. It 'sounds like' a good quality british shotgun and even in it's current condition may be worth a few $$$. others here may have more info. and btw welcome to gunbroker.
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  • cbyerly
    It is a medium grade utility shotgun. Made both as ctg and muzzle loading. Very difficult and costly to properly restock. Not worth much unless someone needs the usable parts for another restoration. They are pretty nuch hand made so parts are not necessarily interchangeable.
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  • Ned Fall
    Two possibilities. First, William Moore & Company, English Gun maker from 1854 to 1872.
    Second, Belgian made "Trade Brand Name" shotgun made by Henri Pieper of Liege Belgium also later known as Anicens Establissment Pieper. To tell the difference look on the bottom of the barrels under the forearm for proof marks. The English made gun will have crossed scepters or crossed halberds (spear/battle axe) with a crown over that and letters in the intersections. The Belgian made gun will have the letters "ELG" in an oval with a crown above that.
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  • Madman
    Butcherboy;
    Ned has it right. Have restored two "basket case" ones in my day. Have seen originals ask about $1000 and up. Outside of making a stock from the ground up, you won't find a replacement easily. Both restorations ran about $1300. Everyone was satisfied, yet both became wall hangers in a "mancave"

    Paul
    Mountain Magic Gunsmithing
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  • avengerscap
    I have a similar shotgun but it's missing the piece beneath the barrels and one of the hammers is broken. Are you interested in buying or selling?

    quote:Originally posted by butcherbuoy
    I have a old double barrel with exposed hammers, I think 12 ga. Shotgun. On the rib is stamped W. Moore & Co. London Laminated Steel. All the steel around the receiver is engraved and behind the Hammers on both sided is stamped W.Moore & Co. The removable Forearm, the bottom of the barrels and the metal flat part below the barrels are stamped 8805, matching numbers. The Stock is badly broken around the receiver and it has a badly worn leather butt plate.

    Does anyone have info on this gun
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  • Ned Fall
    The piece under the barrels is called the forearm which consists of two basic parts, the wood and the attaching metal pieces which are referred to as iron. Wood would be fairly easy to replace while the metal will be very hard to find or expensive to fabricate. Hammers would not be too difficult to replace as Dixie Gun Works has a large selection that can be made to fit.
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  • avengerscap
    28" double-barrel persussion fowler, laminated steel, hand-engraved throughout, made in London. Mid 19th century.
    Striped (sort of) walnut wood stock. It's being professionally cleaned and examined right now.

    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    You say nothing about the barrels or bore, as to length, finish, and presence of pitting, the tightness of the upper and lower ribs, and overall lock up.

    Could be a decent English gun, but bad news in any of the above would probably kill reasonable chances of coming out on repair/restoration.

    If it is Belgian knock off, you will not come out anywhere near happy spending large amounts of money (over a couple hundred).
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  • avengerscap
    It's a blackpowder muzzle loader and has been described as a very high-end shotgun, based on the metalworking, the type of wood used, and so on.
    I saw that one had gone at auction for $1700 although I'm not sure what condition it was in.

    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    Are you saying this is a muzzle loader, then ?

    If so, most people I know would prefer not to spend very much, and would look for a later breech loader, unless you haver a very high grade shotgun.
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