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Winchester Pre-64 Model 70 Stock

4205raymond
Standard stock is flawless original.Reddish tint,20 lines per inch, hand checkering,original solid red winchester pad that was factory installed,pistol grip extends down approx. 1/4" from buttstock line with fully formed oval, not contoured which Rule says took place between '48 and '51. Stock is inletted for Type 3 receiver (mid'48-'63)On page 148 top picture Rules 1st Edition he shows regular comb stock with fully formed oval as '51-'59 offering.Was this an oversight or did he just mean regular comb with contoured grip and not fully formed oval.I believe my stock to be made between '48 and '51. Anyone care to date it and why? Thank you.
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  • drl50
    I believe that almost all type III receiver stocks had 18 line checkering. The 20 line per inch checkering was discontinued pre-war meaning that it is only found on stocks with the Type I or II "cloverleaf tang". One feature used to age model 70 Type III stocks is the width of the border of the checkering. It became wider in the mid 50's than earlier.In 1959 or so, machine checkering was introduced which is quite obvious as the size of the checkered area is reduced. But again there are exceptions to many dating criteria with the model 70 as Winchester randomly took years to use old inventory and did not always rotate it using the oldest first. Rule also points out that a very few stocks with an oval grip from old inventory were inletted for the tapered type III tang. If your stock is really 20 lines per inch, it could be one of these.
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  • 4205raymond
    DRL50 thanks for your input. I meant to say my stock is 18 lines per inch. It is inletted for Type 3 tang and does have extended pistol grip with full oval. So, would you say the earliest date for stock is '48(start Type 3 tang)and latest date for stock is '51(where full oval on pistol grip was supposed to be phased out)? Thanks. Ray
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  • drl50
    Yes, yours sounds like it is very probably an early type III stock.And yes, I think the "low comb" example used in the picture you reference, happens to be an early Type III also.That picture is meant to show the difference between the low comb stock and the Monte Carlo. The oval grip is incidental. He just uses an early type III low comb in the picture.
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  • 4205raymond
    DRL50, Thank you. I think we are in agreement. If anyone out there agrees or disagrees please feel free to chime in.
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  • GuvamintCheese
    quote:Originally posted by 4205raymond
    Standard stock is flawless original.Reddish tint,20 lines per inch, hand checkering,original solid red winchester pad that was factory installed,pistol grip extends down approx. 1/4" from buttstock line with fully formed oval, not contoured which Rule says took place between '48 and '51. Stock is inletted for Type 3 receiver (mid'48-'63)On page 148 top picture Rules 1st Edition he shows regular comb stock with fully formed oval as '51-'59 offering.Was this an oversight or did he just mean regular comb with contoured grip and not fully formed oval.I believe my stock to be made between '48 and '51. Anyone care to date it and why? Thank you.
    You assume it was a factory installed pad? Why? Chances are that it is not. Do you have photos?
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  • 4205raymond
    Cartod,was told by former owner that pad was a special order. It is the aged and plugged June 6, 1922 pad.(not the repro like Conn. Shotgun sells).A lot of years experience(67 now)looking at these stocks,but no factory invoice or letter. Understand what you are saying. Thanks for your input.
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