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Russian TT33 (Tokarev)

MOONED
Just curious what a realistic value on one of these would be. I have the opportunity to grab one for under $300. I've seen some auctions where they have sold in the $600.00 range....

Were these only produced by Russia prior & during WWII? I have seen enough pictures to know that they will be stamped year of manufacture on the left side of the frame, but other than that, is there any other concerns I need to check out? Also, were they built better than the Polish and other manufactures of these pistols?

Any info is greatly appreciated.

Aaron
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  • rufe-snow
    < $300 is a very good deal nowadays for a original Russian made Toke. Make sure as best as you can that it's factory original, i.e. hasn't been refinished or screwed with. If it's righteous, some collector will be happy to take it off your hands for a nice profit.
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  • MOONED
    Thanks for the reply Rufe.....
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  • v35
    If it doesn't have a safety it's likely a Russky or Chinese bringback.
    What are the slide and frame markings?
    Russky's have a CCCP around the grip star to my knowledge the others haven't. Polish TTs have date on the slide and ribbed grips w/o star.
    They are among the best finished but all TTs are good.
    In any event they're fun enough for me to own seven various models.
    You can get used to their quirks....and they're powerful and thin.
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  • MOONED
    V35, Thanks for the reply. I'll look at it closer to make sure of the marking since I didn't pay close enough attention previously. It appears to be the typical finish for a Tokaver though.

    Aaron
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  • v35
    Also take note of the caliber markings.
    Some, like the Chinese Norinco may be 9mm.
    The 9mms can be converted to shoot either 9mm or 7,62x25 relatively easily.
    Navy Arms had a run of 38 Super kits made giving a three caliber possibility.
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  • jeffb1911
    Hate to disagree, but if the Tok is a 9mm, be sure it has the ejector positioned for a tokarev case, and the ejection port large enough for the tokarev case instead of the 9mm case. The Tokarev round can be converted to 9mm, but the 7.62x25 Tokarev cannot be converted as easily to the 9mm due to ejector placement and ejection port being smaller.

    I've got one of the chinese 7.62 models with the 9mm barrel. Wonder how hard it would be to get a 38 super barrel.
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  • v35
    Part of the 9mm to 7.62x25 conversion is opening up the ejector port
    to about 1 1/4" and filing back the ejector nub approximately 5/16"
    You then need the correct barrel bushing for 9mm or 7.62 and the proper barrel.
    There are full width magazines with an internal spacer in the rear so 9mm ammo wont move around. I've heard 9mm will work in 7.62magazines
    but haven't tried it.
    Your last sentence is incorrect.
    I have a 38Super kit and haven't tried it yet since the Tokarev will shoot +P+ 124gr there's little reason to use it except that it will fill the length of the 7.62 mag.
    The kit from China Sports Inc includes barrel, heavier spring, bushing and instructions to modify the cartridge guide portion of the hammer housing.
    I've converted one Norinco 213 to fire either 9 or 7.62 and it does so reliably. By removing the mag well spacer, 7.62 mags can be used.
    Gunparts Numrich has the 213 magwell spacers but you need to drill the frame and spacer to pin them in place to use 9mm mags.
    Recently I've assembled a parts gun from a 7.62x25 Polish frame a Norinco 9mm slide, Chinese barrel and an unknown firing mechanism.
    It turned out a tight good fit and shoots 7.62 reliably and accurately.
    As I recently bought a Keltec SUB 2000-9mm (recommended toy) I've run out of 9mm and haven't tried 9mm out of the parts gun yet.
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  • jeffb1911
    You are correct....i meant to say that the 9mm Tok cannot be converted as easily as the 7.62 version. The 7.62 i have does not need anything other than the barrel changed. The 7.62 mags work just fine in 9mm, at least for me.
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  • v35
    As 9mm and 7.62 barrels are of different diameters it's best to have the proper barrel bushings.
    Also, many if not most 9mm Norinco 213s have shortened firing pins to act as inertial firing pins. These are not satisfactory.
    They will not reliably fire military and other hard primers and
    need to be replaced or lengthened by welding on the rear end to about 2.125".
    When lengthened, the hammer must not be lowered below half cock on a loaded chamber.
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  • MOONED
    Thanks all for the input. There is import stamping on the left side of the frame which says "Russian 7.62 x 25" and importer. On the left side of the frame it's dated 1946. The grips do have the CCCP around the star, and I can purchase for about $275.00 "out the door".

    Does it still seem to be as good a deal as it seemed from my previous post?
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