Armscorp NM Info
I am needing a value and information regarding a Armscorp Preban National Match Rifle. It has a trw receiver and I have seen pictures and it appears to be in very good condition. Comes with 2 mags, 2 bayonets, cleaning kit, tools, case, and 1300 rounds of Military surplus FMJ. I have read a little about them on line but there isn't a wealth of info out there about these I can find. The owner was this guys dad who kept records on the gun back to 91 or so. His son who is selling it says it's all original. Can anyone tell me about this rifle and about the value of the gun and ammo included. Thanks a whole bunch everyone.
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TRW receiver? TRW built their very last M14 receivers in 1965 for use on a limited run of 1600 National Match rifles for the US Army. Prior to that the last TRW M14 service rifle receivers were constructed in 1962. TRW never built any commercial semi automatic M14 receivers, and certainly were not building any as late as 1986 when Armscorp began marketing their semi auto M14 rifles. What markings are on the receiver representing it to have been built by Thompson Ramo Wooolridge? 0 -
That's what he told me was on the receiver, Is this good or bad? 0 -
The serial # on the gun is 0047xx. He is going to call me back with the info on the receiver. 0 -
Seriously doubt TRW since you list it as an Armscorp which would be common.
CP
A TRW would go for over $20,000.00 easy
Mark
There are some TRW NM rifles that were released to civilians
They had the selector lugs welded and BATF ruled they were now semi autos. This is one of the very few cases where "once a machinegun" did not apply.
I have seen one and the paperwork.
CP
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It could be a Hahn reweld also I guess.
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Good or bad? Who can say since there are not supposed to be any semi automatic M14 rifle receivers produced by TRW and offered for commercial sale. I'd want to see a photo of the receiver markings in order to be clear on whether or not it was actually produced by TRW. If it is not a TRW receiver then the guy doesn't know what he is talking about and I'd be reluctant to trust him on anything. If it is a TRW receive then I'd want to find out of it is a modified M14 receiver, in which case it would be illegal since the only known semi automatic M14 rifles ever released for sale were the one hundred or so M14M match rifle produced by Springfield Armory and released to the NRA back int he early 1960s. 0 -
I am waiting for his reply. Thanks for the input. Please stay tuned. I will look at pics. 0 -
Here are some of the markings for US M14 rifles and commercial semi automatics (courtesy of North Cape Publications).
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According to Lee Emerson in M14 Rifle History and Development, TRW did manufacture 4,874 M14 NM rifles which were incapable of select fire. These were therefore legal for civilian ownership.
I found this online. True???????
They did produce the NM rifles but there were built on M14 receivers which simply had their selectors blocked to semi automatic, which means that they are still machine guns and subject to the same restrictions as a selective fire M14 rifle. Apparently a few TRW rifles were grandfathered in (cpermd has never steered me wrong) along with the Springfields but these would be worth a small fortune and there is no reason to expect that Armscorp would have access to any of these receivers. The markings on the receiver will clear everything up in about two seconds, the rest is all conjecture.0 -
Okay. Thanks a million. Still waiting for the call.
It is also worth noting that the serial number you gave is not a TRW production number at all and in fact falls within the Springfield pilot production order of 1958. The known TRW NM receivers were all in the 1.2 million serial number range or higher0 -
Okay just got a call he said on the receiver it has TRW ZG. Other numbers were 7790186. Is this of any help? 0 -
I just googled that info and found that to be a common bolt #. 0 -
Anyway,in very good condition with ammo what value would you give to this? I sure do appreciate all your replies as well as your time and expertise. Thank you!!!!! 0 -
If the guy can't tell the differnce between the receiver and the bolt then I'd be suspicious about him knowing anything at all about the rifle. In any case it is pretty clear that the bolt is from TRW and not the receiver. Price it as you would a NM rifle from Springfield Armory in similar condition and be careful doing a deal with this guy, I think he is blowing smoke. Here is a photo of my own M1A with a TRW bolt showing the drawing number (which every M14 bolt shares) and having a similar heat lot code to the one on your rifle:
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