New Shipping Rule Question
In regards to the new shipping rules post (which I greatly appreciate) I noticed one sentence in which I want to be sure I understand. Here is the rule below:
"Disclose to the Carrier if Contents Include Firearms or Ammunition
In a recent case, an individual was criminally prosecuted by the federal government for shipping two guns and some ammunition via a common carrier. The federal government also seized and forfeited the firearms and ammo. Why? Because the shipper knowingly failed to disclose to the carrier in writing that the contents of the package contained firearms and ammo. He violated Section 922(e) of the Gun Control Act. This case provides an important lesson for all of us who may, for example, ship a firearm to ourselves for an event rather than check the firearm as luggage.
You MUST declare the contents to the common carrier in writing (on the carrier's form, check the box/fill in the line). It is a crime to "knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment . . . to persons other than a licensed [importer, manufacturer, dealers, or collector] , any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped.""
END OF NEW RULE
The above in blue letters. It appears that I can still ship a handgun or long gun back to the manufacturer, for example, without any worries about forgetting to in writing inform the shipper that there is a gun in the package. I always inform them anyway, but I just want to know the law.
"Disclose to the Carrier if Contents Include Firearms or Ammunition
In a recent case, an individual was criminally prosecuted by the federal government for shipping two guns and some ammunition via a common carrier. The federal government also seized and forfeited the firearms and ammo. Why? Because the shipper knowingly failed to disclose to the carrier in writing that the contents of the package contained firearms and ammo. He violated Section 922(e) of the Gun Control Act. This case provides an important lesson for all of us who may, for example, ship a firearm to ourselves for an event rather than check the firearm as luggage.
You MUST declare the contents to the common carrier in writing (on the carrier's form, check the box/fill in the line). It is a crime to "knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment . . . to persons other than a licensed [importer, manufacturer, dealers, or collector] , any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped.""
END OF NEW RULE
The above in blue letters. It appears that I can still ship a handgun or long gun back to the manufacturer, for example, without any worries about forgetting to in writing inform the shipper that there is a gun in the package. I always inform them anyway, but I just want to know the law.
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That rule applies only if sending to a non licensed individual.
There is no legal requirement to notify the carrier if sending to an FFL, manufacturer, etc. See letter from ATF below.
Jim
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The carriers require notification because GCA 68 requires them to get an adult signature for firearms. If the adult signature isn't specified, the delivery folks could leave the gun on the porch. (Yeah, I know, some of them do that any way.
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just this very morning I was shipping a gun to Marlin for warranty work thru UPS and they REFUSED to take the package...because I did not have Marlin's FFL#...I tried to explain to the old biddy at the counter MFC, INC. is Marlin Firearms Company (the manufacturer of the rifle) she still refuse the package.
I went down the block and sent it via USP after disclosing that their was a firearm in the package it was weighed, stamped and done with in 2 minutes!0 -
quote:Originally posted by silver salmon
just this very morning I was shipping a gun to Marlin for warranty work thru UPS and they REFUSED to take the package...because I did not have Marlin's FFL#...I tried to explain to the old biddy at the counter MFC, INC. is Marlin Firearms Company (the manufacturer of the rifle) she still refuse the package.
I went down the block and sent it via USP after disclosing that their was a firearm in the package it was weighed, stamped and done with in 2 minutes!
Did you try to ship from an actual USP hub or a UPS Store? I have never had them ask for an FFL, and really doubt if they would know what one looks like anyway. I've never had any shipper, UPS, FEDEX, DSL or USPS ask for an FFL.0
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