Bullseye Shooting question
I know there are a few bullseye shooters that can answer this for me. In looking through some old threads, I found one about a S&W K-38 SA. Perryshooter mentioned it was a good bullseye gun. My question is, was it used in the rapid fire match? I cant imagine shooting 5 shots in 10 seconds while having to cock the hammer each time. It seems like guys just get the last shot off while the target is turning back while using 1911s. Im sure it can be done accurately, but Im interested to know if that was the norm before the 45 was used for the centerfire match. Or was it something completely different altogether.
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Hello When Bulls-Eye first started with the NRA and at the national matches it is still carried over . The matches were divided into three classes of shooters Civilian, Police and Military At the time it was thought most civilians had a 22 pistol most all police shot either a 32 revolver or 38 revolver and most military shot a 45 so to be fair to all groups they made the match 90 shots with each type and caliber. Yes it was found that a semi auto was easier to shoot rapid fire but it can be done with revolvers . I happened to meet a young man a number of years when he visited the Va. team at Camp Perry we had 30 some shooters from Va. and served liquid refreshments at night in the yard within our bunch of HUTS. This young man sampled a Moscow Mule or two during the week and was as far as I know the only person that ever shot a score of 2600 + shooting all revolvers Babe Matherson I think is his name. It can be done but you better have plenty of trigger time and ammo. A maker of special parts KING had adjustable sights for revolvers with a Mirror reflecting light on the front blade and also a special COCK-EYED hammer that had off set spur to make easier to shoot Also S&w made a single action ONLY trigger group for the K22 K32 & K38. Colt Officers Model Match also had 22 Cal 32 Cal and 38 Cal many of the old masters like the way a Colt trigger Stacked and shot double action as well as single action. My skinny hands dont work well With these guns but I have shot centerfire stage once with a S&W No.3 single action target was FUN but scores sucked. [:p] 0 -
Of course when you are talking to perry shooter you are talking to a fellow who is a Gun Broker living legend and who has been there and back. About 25 years ago I purchased this pre WWII Colt Officers Match Target from an old gentleman (at least he seem old to me at age 26) who used it in competition for many years.
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These OMTs had a thinner profile barrel and were lighter in weight than the later variations, which had a heavy barrel, full sized target stocks (way to big for my small hands) and complicated adjustable sights. The trigger pull on this pistol puts my Pythons to shame and whether SA or DA is is so light and smooth that it would probably be deemed too dangerous in today's law suit happy environment. While it might seem obsolete today, I could easily see it as competitive in the hands of a skilled marksman.0 -
Wow, that has got to be something to watch. I am still just gearing up to compete. Id like to actually shoot 3 guns, the centerfire being a revolver. Im really only interestted in competing with myself, so if the scores are low to start it wont bother me. Theres just some sort of appeal for me to shoot it the way it was designed with the civillian 22, police 38 and military 45. I thought I read that somewhere before, and it really sounded cool. For now, time and money say I will just shoot in a 22 league, but you never know when you stumble over that white elephant at a garage sale. Maybe Ill come across a good deal on good wheel gun and be ready to snatch it up. Im hoping I find a pachmayr or gun ho case that way too. They aint cheap! 0 -
While nt in the same league as the Camp Perry matches, the first station for police qualification here in VA used to be 12 rounds in 30 seconds WITH a revolver and WITH a reload. 0 -
In the rapid fire stage of bull's eye shooting you have almost 10 seconds for 4 shots. The key is to get off the first round just as the target starts to turn then you have 9+ seconds for the other four rounds. You just have to learn how high to aim on the edge of the target to be in the center of the black. Shooting revolvers, like shooting bolt guns in hipower competition just requires practice, practice and more practice.
The pistol range boxes can be found on the internet auctions and at gun shows at reasonable prices. Sometimes they will have a spotting scope with the box.0 -
"In the rapid fire section of bull's eye shooting you have almost 10 seconds for 4 shots.".........yup, while I don't shoot centerfire matches any more it is still fun to 'out shoot' some of the yonger shooters with a wheel gun. With a good revolver you can at least 'keep them in the black' (with practice[;)]). 0 -
In all of this talk about busting caps, I must congratulate the owner on the pristine condition of his Colt. Absolute perfection, and much loving care. A pleasure to the eye, and I'm sure, to the hand. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ingalls
I know there are a few bullseye shooters that can answer this for me. In looking through some old threads, I found one about a S&W K-38 SA. Perryshooter mentioned it was a good bullseye gun. My question is, was it used in the rapid fire match? I cant imagine shooting 5 shots in 10 seconds while having to cock the hammer each time. It seems like guys just get the last shot off while the target is turning back while using 1911s. Im sure it can be done accurately, but Im interested to know if that was the norm before the 45 was used for the centerfire match. Or was it something completely different altogether.
So you've sort of answered your own question about why virtually everyone is using semi-auto .45s now! (Larger diameter of .45 caliber bullet also helps to increase likelihood of nicking a scoring line).
If it seems harder with a revolver, of course it is, but if you figure that back in the day you'd have been competing against a line of OTHER revolvers that really evens things out.
I can't speak to what was the norm on the line 50+ years ago, but in general, 2 seconds per shot is actually a reasonable amount of time, even with thumb cocking between shots. With practice it should be possible to consistently cock the hammer in under 1/2 a second, and if you're doing it while you're re-settling the gun from recoil anyway, you're really not losing much time at all.
Mechanically speaking, you'll probably be shooting with a tuned action gun, so thumb cocking resistance will be a good bit lower than with many "service" type guns. Also, your gun will likely have either an extra-wide "target" hammer, or one with a custom offset hammer to help you cock it easily with your shooting hand thumb without having to shift your grip.
For slow-fire where you have several minutes to get off a relatively small number of shots, I don't think a revolver poses ANY disadvantage. Another few seconds in there to cock the hammer is irrelevant.
In terms of intrinsic accuracy, with the right ammo a good revolver is not only at LEAST as accurate as any semi-auto (if not more so), in general, they have better trigger pulls too.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
Of course when you are talking to perry shooter you are talking to a fellow who is a Gun Broker living legend and who has been there and back. About 25 years ago I purchased this pre WWII Colt Officers Match Target from an old gentleman (at least he seem old to me at age 26) who used it in competition for many years.
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These OMTs had a thinner profile barrel and were lighter in weight than the later variations, which had a heavy barrel, full sized target stocks (way to big for my small hands) and complicated adjustable sights. The trigger pull on this pistol puts my Pythons to shame and whether SA or DA is is so light and smooth that it would probably be deemed too dangerous in today's law suit happy environment. While it might seem obsolete today, I could easily see it as competitive in the hands of a skilled marksman.
So...that means you are looking to get rid of your Pythons??...hehehehe[:D][:D][:D]0
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