difference between flash suppressor and flash hide
here in nj we cannot have a flash suppressor so what is the difference between a flassuppressor and a flash hidern i am thinking of buying a dpms in 7.62x39 rifle and depending on the manufacturer some have flash suppressors are there any types out there without any type of suppressor or hider thanks hank
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There is no difference. Just different names for the same things. Many companies make guns/uppers without any kind of muzzle device for states like yours. 0 -
There is also a device called a muzzle brake, which is designed to deflect gases in order to reduce recoil &/or muzzle flip. These look similar to flash suppressors. Depending upon your state/local law, these may or may not be permitted.
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In some cases, the flash suppressor serves to redirect gasses that would create dust and debris when shooting from the prone position. A flash hider (see the Enfield Jungle Carbine) was intended to hide the muzzle flash from the SHOOTER. In low light conditions, carbines like that produce such a huge flash that it will night-blind a shooter. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by krawiech
here in nj we cannot have a flash suppressor so what is the difference between a flassuppressor and a flash hidern i am thinking of buying a dpms in 7.62x39 rifle and depending on the manufacturer some have flash suppressors are there any types out there without any type of suppressor or hider thanks hank
You are looking for the legal definition, so unfortunately most common sense goes out the window. You should check NJ state law specifically. I think a suppressor and hider would be the same, uou are looking for a brake or comp, if those are legal.
In CA, where we have a similar law, a flash suppressor is defined as a device which has the capability of redirecting the muzzle flash away from the shooter's field of vision. This can become a fairly complicated issue because a thread on brake with holes around half the device can be threaded on "upside down" and will redirect the flash down - which I think most folks would agree is away from the shooter's field of vision.
But in CA we (and LE it seems) are following three basic rules. First, if it's sold as a brake, it's a brake and if it's sold as a suppressor it's a suppressor. Second, if it has holes instead of slots and the opening is about the same diameter as the bullet, it's a brake. Finally, and this is most important - no one really knows exactly what the difference really is. These things were "banned" not based on their own characteristics but based on their being included on "evil" rifles. Legislators had to then back engineer a specific definition, which hasn't worked out so well.
BTW, if you buy a Choate Mini 14 device from Brownells it's listed as a flash suppressor, if you buy it from Midway (I think) it's sold as a brake/comp.
If neither a brake nor a hider/suppressor are legal in NJ, I suppose you could line the inside of the FH/brake and cover the slots from the inside - I think such types were made during the federal ban.
If all else fails and you just don't want a plain old muzzle, I guess you could screw on one of these fake cans:
http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2820 -
There seems to be some confusion on the part of sellers as well. Here in New York, we're prohibited from having any semi-auto rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has any 2 of the following (paraphrased) :
* pistol grip
* flash suppressor or threaded barrel than can accommodate a flash suppressor
* bayonet mount
* folding or telescoping stock (includes collapsible or adjustable length?)
* flare or grenade launcher
I've seen auctions for AK47 style rifles with the angle cut thing at the end of the barrel listed as a brake or a suppressor. Of course it's neither.
How can I tell by looking at photos which one it is? Also, how can I tell if a rifle has a bayonet mount?0 -
In NY insist on the gunshop to show on the sales receipt that the receiver (by SerNo) as pre AWB, or to indicate on the bill of sale 'Sold with permanently attached muzzle break' if the receiver dates to 1992 or later, and it happens to have a gizmo on the end of the barrel.
Now, back to the OP..
Flash suppressor: Hides the flash (as best as possible) from the bad guys.
Flash hider: Hides the flash (as best as possible) from the person operating the weapon. Many AA guns have, and have had, F/H's to try and eliminate flash blindness and blast. Usually associated with cru-serv automatic weaponry (.30/.50 cal MG's, 20mm, 40mm, etc.).0 -
Instead Of changing the wording.........................CHANGE your lawmakers !!![:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by krawiech
here in nj we cannot have a flash suppressor so what is the difference between a flassuppressor and a flash hidern i am thinking of buying a dpms in 7.62x39 rifle and depending on the manufacturer some have flash suppressors are there any types out there without any type of suppressor or hider thanks hank
Without getting into a long semantic argument, for your purposes a flash hider and a flash suppressor are the same thing. While some people use the term "flash hider" to refer to a cone shaped device that fits on the muzzle, many use the terms interchangeably.
Unless the suppressor is pinned or welded into place, you can always remove it and replace it with something else (eg a compensator or a fake flash hider), and in general doing that is pretty easy.
If this is an issue you can have the seller remove the flash suppressor for you before transferring the gun. Again, its not particularly hard. With most AR-15 type muzzle attachments, you just unscrew it with a wrench.0 -
Does New Jersey include threaded barrels capable of accepting flash suppressors? If so, you may also ask them to tack weld or grind off the threads just enough to prevent them from being used. 0
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