Jim my response..........in before the lock
quote:Once again you have no idea about which you speak. To say 'people like me accept what we are told', you are totally clueless here. Did you put your job and pension the line to support the RTKABA's as I have. NO and you would not. You don't even have any idea about how many have sacrificed so you can show your ignorance and prejudice of those of us who actually do something other than just talk big on the internet. So until you know what you are talking about it's best you say nothing. You really put your foot in your mouth this time newbe!
That is where you are clueless Jim.....You have no Idea what I would do or not do in regards to my job and pension. If you did such a thing then Good on ya, but HOW then do you come back here and say to folks
quote:I support your 'ideal' 100%, but I know it can NEVER be accomplished, just reality, which you and your fellow idealists ignore completely.
The Breaking point will be when people have had enough talk government overstretches their grasp and the SHTF, Noone knows when that will be but to come here and poke sticks in the eyes of people who are waking people saying they live not in reality is mind boggling, especially if you have done what you say you did.
Heres a question Jimbo Why did you put your job and pension on the line for the RTKBA if there was nothing to be done because your living in reality....... Reality is what we make it yes....so the more people that know the better yes, The way you presented your case I took as a slap in the face to people trying to encourage people to look deeper......
If I stuck my foot in my mouth, so what.... I See it this way ......... you see it that way but from what Ive read in your posts your no patriot, just cut people down.............ooops foot in mouth again right jim..................whatever[xx(]
That is where you are clueless Jim.....You have no Idea what I would do or not do in regards to my job and pension. If you did such a thing then Good on ya, but HOW then do you come back here and say to folks
quote:I support your 'ideal' 100%, but I know it can NEVER be accomplished, just reality, which you and your fellow idealists ignore completely.
The Breaking point will be when people have had enough talk government overstretches their grasp and the SHTF, Noone knows when that will be but to come here and poke sticks in the eyes of people who are waking people saying they live not in reality is mind boggling, especially if you have done what you say you did.
Heres a question Jimbo Why did you put your job and pension on the line for the RTKBA if there was nothing to be done because your living in reality....... Reality is what we make it yes....so the more people that know the better yes, The way you presented your case I took as a slap in the face to people trying to encourage people to look deeper......
If I stuck my foot in my mouth, so what.... I See it this way ......... you see it that way but from what Ive read in your posts your no patriot, just cut people down.............ooops foot in mouth again right jim..................whatever[xx(]
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Highball -
You have had your rant...now please answer the question - Do you think that convicted felons should be able to posess guns?0 -
quote:Do you think that convicted felons should be able to posess guns?
Of course not.
While in prison, gun Rights are just ONE of the many Rights denied inmates.
The INSTANT they walk out the door of the prison...having paid their debt to society...of COURSE they should be handed back their .45...to resume their life in Society as best they can.
If they are not deemed fit to regain their Rights...theya re not fit to walk in Society as a free man again.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:Do you think that convicted felons should be able to posess guns?
Of course not.
While in prison, gun Rights are just ONE of the many Rights denied inmates.
The INSTANT they walk out the door of the prison...having paid their debt to society...of COURSE they should be handed back their .45...to resume their life in Society as best they can.
If they are not deemed fit to regain their Rights...theya re not fit to walk in Society as a free man again.
+1, as ol' stinkfoot would say, Damn Straight.
Felons - can't answer it any better than HB did.
Registration of machine guns does what? How does this keep anyone safer?
Why register those over 50 cal? Why not register 50 cal. A criminal might be able to make that 1800 yd shot. Hell why not register the 338's too, There are alot of people just as effective with 338 as anyone else is with a machine gun. They can kill you from much further away, even if single shot. Where does the line get drawn and why do you get to draw it?
If the kid has parental consent why should it matter who does the transaction? In my household my kids had to have my consent for everything they did until 18.
FFL transfers stop how many criminals from getting guns? So after everyone has been restricted from private sales how are you gonna stop criminals from stealing them? There are always going to be those in society who do not act responsibly, you will not lessen that by taking away responsibility from those who are responsible.0 -
So you are telling me that you are ok with a convicted murderer being able to buy a pistol after he gets out of jail? Somebody help me here - these guys are nuts! 0 -
Why would you release a person from prison if they are not safe to participate in society. If they are safe to be out then they should have all thier rights restored. Otherwise don't let them out. I think it's nuts to let them out if not safe to participate in society. 0 -
quote:So you are telling me that you are ok with a convicted murderer being able to buy a pistol after he gets out of jail? Somebody help me here - these guys are nuts!
Please get your copy of the Constitution and Bill of Rights out and quote me chapter and verse where it commands you to deprive a man of his Rights in perpetuity for the commission of a crime that does does not demand the death penalty ?
You let him out of prison...he gets his Rights back.
You are absolutely correct about ONE statement you make ;
ONE of us is INDEED NUTS !!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bobsbullets
You asked, so I will tell you. Here are the 'reasonable' measures that I agree with, most of which are already law.
1) Convicted Felons should NOT be allowed to posess firearms
2) Machineguns should be registered with the government, as should other firearms OVER .50 caliber (not Barretts, OVER .50 caliber), Shotguns are exempt from this rule (unless its a machinegun)
3) Persons under 18 should not be allowed to purchase handguns, they may posess them with their parents knowledge and consent.
4) If a firearm is transferred to an individual from a dealer, they should be required to keep a copy (4473) in case the firearm turns up later in a crime. Private and gun show sales should be through a federal firearms dealer to prevent firearms being purchased by criminals.
How are any of these laws a bad thing?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
That's how.0 -
I would agree with you 100% if the courts would actually make people go to jail to pucish them for their crimes, unfortunately more often than not, they get placed on probation or only serve 1/8 of their sentence. You are living in a dream world - You are alot more trusting than I am, I DO NOT want violent felons walking into a gun store and leaving with a pistol....By the way, I think about 90% of the people in the U.S. agree with me, the other 10% are convicted felons and extremists like you that think a child molester out of prison that has 'paid his debts to society' should be able to own a machinegun. Sorry my friend, but you are twisted to think that the constitution grants him that right. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bobsbullets
I would agree with you 100% if the courts would actually make people go to jail to pucish them for their crimes, unfortunately more often than not, they get placed on probation or only serve 1/8 of their sentence. You are living in a dream world - You are alot more trusting than I am, I DO NOT want violent felons walking into a gun store and leaving with a pistol....By the way, I think about 90% of the people in the U.S. agree with me, the other 10% are convicted felons and extremists like you that think a child molester out of prison that has 'paid his debts to society' should be able to own a machinegun. Sorry my friend, but you are twisted to think that the constitution grants him that right.
Perhaps we should strip him of his other rights as well. For instance, his right to religion as enumerated in Amendment I, no?0 -
It's the law in every state as well as Federal law, and I am very glad of it. Good luck repealing that one, BTW...
I suppose you think that looking at kiddy porn is protected under the 1st Amendment?
Like I said 95% of the public agrees with me on this one (except convicted felons). Hate to tell you this, but the minute you say something like 'an ex-con should be able to own a machingun' - you are not helping the movement.
Go ahead and stand behind your 'Don't dread on me' flag.
Guess what? Speaking as a cop, if you are convicted of a violent felony and I find out you have guns....I AM going to tread all over you. You will be arrested, and your guns will be seized - that's the law. Good luck overturning that one...
Gimmie a freakin break~!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bobsbullets
Guess what? Speaking as a cop, if you are convicted of a violent felony and I find out you have guns....I AM going to tread all over you. You will be arrested, and your guns will be seized - that's the law. Good luck overturning that one...
And when the order comes down, "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in!", you'll be right there to collect them, right?
After all; it will be 'the law'.0 -
I have heard this crap for years....same ole dribble about the Army teaming up with the U.N....I suppose you have 100lbs of rice in your basement left over from Y2K?
National gun confiscation is a slightly different arguement than what I am talking about...would I seize guns from everyone 'when the order is given'....NO.
Will I arrest a convicted felon with a gun? YES, with a smile on my face!
BTW....when 'the order is given'....is that kind of like the Chancellor from Star Wars saying "Execute order 66!"??
How long have you lived with your parents?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bobsbullets
I have heard this crap for years....same ole dribble about the Army teaming up with the U.N....I suppose you have 100lbs of rice in your basement left over from Y2K?
National gun confiscation is a slightly different arguement than what I am talking about...would I seize guns from everyone 'when the order is given'....NO.
Will I arrest a convicted felon with a gun? YES, with a smile on my face!
BTW....when 'the order is given'....is that kind of like the Chancellor from Star Wars saying "Execute order 66!"??
How long have you lived with your parents?
I see. When someone else's rights are trampled, that is all fine by you. When YOUR "rights" come into question, THEN you think they are overstepping the boundry.
For your information, porn, muchless kiddy porn, is not protected under the guise of the first amendment. You will be hard pressed to see anyone here defend kiddy porn.
For now, you have the brotherhood of the thin blue line covering your azz. What happens when/if society collapses? You think that little opinion of yours will get you far?
It is LEO's like you that remove my respect for your profession. We have a CONSTITUTION that superceeds any laws that contridict it. Apparently they didn't teach you to think in jack boot academy.
Your collectivist drivel in sickening.. [xx(]0 -
Another LEO.
Imagine that.
Oh...about that 95 percent ? Nothing new about that sort of thing at all. In any culture, there has been, at any given time, 3-5 percent of the population intelligent enough to think their way out of a paper bag.
This society is no different.
The Founders knew this...that is why they left instructions detailing PRECISELY what the federal government was allowed to do...and NOTHING else without altering the Constitution.
Naturally, you and the mass of ignorant protoplasm are in the majority, you control the levers of power...you get to ignore the Law of the Land...the Constitution.
At least for right now.
The Constitution was DESIGNED to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority...enjoy your reign of terror.0 -
Guess what guys....when you are convicted of a felony, you lose your rights. I know that you two stay up late at night counting your ammo for the coming 'collaspe of society', 'race war', insert your own lunatic 'balloon going up' language here.
The law is the law....convicted felons cannot have guns....nobody else here feels for their rights. What about the rights of the innocent American who gets killed by a felon with a gun...do you care about that persons rights? I am certainly glad you you guys are in the minority here. Back up for a minute, and think about how crazy it sounds to defend criminal pieces of crap like them.
Maybe you guys should go down to the probation/parole office and hold up a sign saying 'give these felons their guns back'. People who laugh at you and spit in your face.
Your perverse attitude of the 2nd amendment gives all of us here a bad name. Don't do us any favors please...
P.S. Might want to throw a bag of Doritos in your 'collaspe of society' survival kit.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bobsbullets
Go ahead and stand behind your 'Don't dread on me' flag.
Guess what? Speaking as a cop, if you are convicted of a violent felony and I find out you have guns....I AM going to tread all over you. You will be arrested, and your guns will be seized - that's the law. Good luck overturning that one...
Gimmie a freakin break~!
Look;
It's 'tread', not 'dread', and it is not called the 'Don't Tread On Me' flag, sfb.
It's called the Gadsden flag. You know how it got it's name, or does your knowledge of it consist only of what you've read/seen in DHS memos?
Here ya go;
In fall 1775, the United States Navy was established to intercept incoming British ships carrying war supplies to the British troops in the colonies. To aid in this, the Second Continental Congress authorized the mustering of five companies of Marines to accompany the Navy on their first mission. The first Marines that enlisted were from Philadelphia and they carried drums painted yellow, depicting a coiled rattlesnake with thirteen rattles, and the motto "Don't Tread On Me." This is the first recorded mention of the future Gadsden flag's symbolism.
At the Congress, Continental Colonel Christopher Gadsden represented his home state of South Carolina. He was one of three members of the Marine Committee who were outfitting the first naval mission. It is unclear whether Gadsden took his inspiration from the Marines' drums, or if he inspired them himself.
Before the departure of that first mission, the newly appointed commander-in-chief of the Navy, Commodore Esek Hopkins, received the yellow rattlesnake flag described above from Gadsden to serve as his distinctive personal standard.
Gadsden also presented a copy of this flag to the South Carolina legislature in Charleston, South Carolina. This was recorded in the South Carolina congressional journals:
Col. Gadsden presented to the Congress an elegant standard, such as is to be used by the commander in chief of the American navy; being a yellow field, with a lively representation of a rattle-snake in the middle, in the attitude of going to strike, and these words underneath, "Don't Tread on Me!"0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bobsbullets
Guess what guys....when you are convicted of a felony, you lose your rights. I know that you two stay up late at night counting your ammo for the coming 'collaspe of society', 'race war', insert your own lunatic 'balloon going up' language here.
The law is the law....convicted felons cannot have guns....nobody else here feels for their rights. What about the rights of the innocent American who gets killed by a felon with a gun...do you care about that persons rights?How is that any different than an innocent American killed by a person not a felon?
I am certainly glad you you guys are in the minority here.In the minority? Have you followed you post in GD.
Back up for a minute, and think about how crazy it sounds to defend criminal pieces of crap like them.
Maybe you guys should go down to the probation/parole office and hold up a sign saying 'give these felons their guns back'. People who laugh at you and spit in your face.
Your perverse attitude of the 2nd amendment gives all of us here a bad name. Don't do us any favors please...
P.S. Might want to throw a bag of Doritos in your 'collaspe of society' survival kit.0 -
Hey Bob! You in politics? Youy sound like a politician blabbering how you "know the pulse of the people". [:D]
Tell ya what Bob, you keep up that "piss on them" attitude. It sure seems to be making you alot of friends. [:o)]
Then again, from your pedistal, it must be hard to see all those underlings. [8)]0 -
Bob, some results are in. I counted comments on thread over in General Discussion up to about 2 minutes ago.
Neutral - 1
Against restoring rights - 2
Smartass comments - 6
Restore rights - 8
Does not count those who commented more than once(1 post 1 vote).
So you are wrong(at least tonite) about the majority belief.0 -
Now the thread has been locked. I think you got 1 more against and 1 more wafle/neutral. 0 -
Face it, guys...bob is right. The majority of americans no doubt believe just as he does.
Changes nothing. They are operating OUTSIDE THE LAW...him and all his buddy LEOs.
Nobody changed the Constitution to their twisted way of thinking...they just took it by FORCE...and the bulk of stupid humanity went along. Nothing new at all, there.
Americans, naturally, KNOW better...but when faced with overwhelming force, and not yet enough provocation...there is nothing to do but accept their perversions of Justice.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bobsbullets
National gun confiscation is a slightly different arguement than what I am talking about...would I seize guns from everyone 'when the order is given'....NO.
And there it is.
Bob,
I know you believe you are dealing with idiots, but you're not. Yeah, I caught the statement you made (in bold).
Of course you wouldn't confiscate firearms from 'everyone', for example: your cohorts that are assisting you.
As for the citizens, I have no doubt that with your mindset, you'd be busting down doors, sticking a muzzle into the face of Americans, putting your boot on their necks and demanding, "Hand em over!".
How did you put it earlier?
Here it is:
"Guess what? Speaking as a cop, if you are convicted of a violent felony and I find out you have guns....I AM going to tread all over you. You will be arrested, and your guns will be seized - that's the law. Good luck overturning that one..."
You need to check out oathkeepers.org. There, you will find folks in the military, those charged with keeping the peace, etc, that have made a statement where they stand on the issue. You may be suprised that not all folks in your line of work see things as you do.
Wanna know what seperates them from others?
They are citizens FIRST and officers SECOND.0 -
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