Styer .308 rifle
I just got a call from a friend and he wants me to sell a couple of rifles for him they are both identical and consecutive serial numbers except 1 is unfired and has the signature of Jeff Cooper on the stock. I have not seen these nor do I have any pics of them yet, I will have them this weekend... Any ideas as to the value of the Styer .308? Sounds like they have synthetic stocks....
I know this is not much to go on, but I also have limited info as well... TIA
I know this is not much to go on, but I also have limited info as well... TIA
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Gun Details[This gun was for sale as of 11:21, 08 Apr 10]Steyr .308 Pro Hunter Bolt Action second hand Rifle (R/H), ?795 @ US$1,224/_901
Licence: Firearm
Origin: Other
Trigger: Single Trigger, Serial #: 1030123DescriptionBlack synthetic stock & forend with blued barrel0 -
If it has Jeff Cooper's signature on the stock, it is a Steyr Scout rifle. Check the auctions for value. I've got one of the later ones, not the Cooper edition, and it is a lot more accurate than i can shoot. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by jeffb1911
If it has Jeff Cooper's signature on the stock, it is a Steyr Scout rifle. Check the auctions for value. I've got one of the later ones, not the Cooper edition, and it is a lot more accurate than i can shoot.
Yeah I think my buddy is screwed, he said he paid $2400 with many extras, so I guess he will either have to take a loss or keep them.. Does anyone know what the twist rate on these barrels are?? Thanks again....0 -
A Jeff Cooper package brings a little more that just the rifle. I think suggested retail was around $2500.00.
Twist rate is 1 in 12.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rsnyder55
A Jeff Cooper package brings a little more that just the rifle. I think suggested retail was around $2500.00.
Twist rate is 1 in 12.
Wow, so what makes these rifles so accurate? So you can not shoot anything over 150grn? I mean 1.5 twist before the round leaves the barrel is not much to produce any accuracy...0 -
308saiga,
"I mean 1.5 twist before the round leaves the barrel is not much to produce any accuracy..."
You should probably spend some time reading up on ballistics and twist rate before making statements such as this.
The 1:12" twist is used on a substantial number of the most accurate target rifles in the world. Consider too, that many of the best sniper/tactical rifles employ the same twist.
If you limit the cartridge selection to the .308 Win., you will be able to stabilize hunting style bullets up to 180 grains. I have some .308 Win. Match rifles with twist rates of 1:18" which are extremely accurate.
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quote:Originally posted by nononsense
You should probably spend some time reading up on ballistics and twist rate before making statements such as this.
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quote:Originally posted by nononsense
The 1:12" twist is used on a substantial number of the most accurate target rifles in the world. Consider too, that many of the best sniper/tactical rifles employ the same twist.
and what is the length of these sniper/tactical barrels?? Guarantee you they are NOT 19"... I am not saying that they (Steyr) are not accurate but at what distance, 200 yards? When I buy bolt action rifles I buy 1000 yard shooters (out too), this to me is an accurate weapon......0 -
308saiga,
I don't have the time to bring you up to speed on all the ramifications and math concerning twist rate but I can relate to you that we are shooting the .308 Win. to 1,000 yards using 18.0" barrel lengths. That's why I suggested that you find some additional reading material to get you filled in on the facts. You are missing some important information.
If you have specific questions or want to bat this around in another topic or continue it here for the rest of the 10 posts, I will be happy to add what I can given time constraints.
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OK... Please post a link or two of what you think I should read, thank you.... At your convenience of course... 0 -
1:12 twist rate at 2,800 fps = 14,000 rpm as the round exits the muzzle.
How fast do you want it to spin?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
1:12 twist rate at 2,800 fps = 14,000 rpm as the round exits the muzzle.
How fast do you want it to spin?
The faster the bullet spins the more accurate the round, this is a given, so a 18" barrel will spin the bullet @ 14,000 rpm (this is what we are talking about), so a 26" barrel will spin @ approximately 24,000 rpm, so at 1000 yards which will be more accurate?
You also have to take under consideration powders, primers, case weights and wall thickness, bullet weights (they vary) in the same grn and pressures that each produce.....0 -
I have one in .223 and it is very very accurate. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 308saiga
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
1:12 twist rate at 2,800 fps = 14,000 rpm as the round exits the muzzle.
How fast do you want it to spin?
The faster the bullet spins the more accurate the round, this is a given, so a 18" barrel will spin the bullet @ 14,000 rpm (this is what we are talking about), so a 26" barrel will spin @ approximately 24,000 rpm, so at 1000 yards which will be more accurate?
You also have to take under consideration powders, primers, case weights and wall thickness, bullet weights (they vary) in the same grn and pressures that each produce.....
Incorrect thinking, saiga. Twist rate is twist rate is twist rate, and there is a tipping point where increased spin will adversely affect bullet performance. This will vary depending on the shape and construction of the projectile.
A 26" barrel at 1:12 will impart the same spin rate as an 18" barrel at 1:12. The 26" barrel will usually result in a higher muzzle velocity, so twist speed will be incrementally increased.
If, for example, the 26" barrel gives a 3,000 fps muzzle speed, the round will be spinning at 15,000 rpm.
Rate of spin is found by multiplying MV (in fps) by Twist Rate (1/12) and then multiplying by 60 (60 second/minute).
Number of turns inside the barrel makes no difference once the round is set in the rifling.0
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