Long Action Verses Short Action
My elephant charging approach did not yield any viable responses so here goes. Is it a viable argument that a short action bolt action is so much faster than a long action. The manufactures seem to think it is a big deal. Also how much additional weight would be added for a long action?
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It is not so much the extra time that it takes to eject and chamber the cartridge that is a problem. It is the extra time you must put forth in getting use to the extra length of the bolt throw that can throw a person off. You take a guy who hunted with a .308 all his life and then throw him in a dangerous situation with a .375 H&H and you could pontentially see just how "bad" you can jam a bolt action rifle. [:D]
As far as weight, yes a short action(.308) is noticeably lighter then a standard action(.30-06) and much lighter then a long magnum action(.375 H&H). These shorter cartridges are usually much more efficient and can get that efficientcy with a shorter barrel and give you an even lighter rifle.
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Jon ,above, gave a good overview but your "elephant charging approach" suggests you want some real 'horse power' and a 'short action' just ain't going to do it. there isn't any '.458 win. super short mag.' the short actions are great for deer rifles or even light elk rifles but dangerous game "I don't think so Tim". 0 -
How about the .375RCM , that's a shorty with some serious punch ! As far as speed goes ???? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by oneoldsap
How about the .375RCM , that's a shorty with some serious punch ! As far as speed goes ????
There is a .375 Ruger, but no such thing as a .375 RCM. The .375 Ruger is a standard length action like a .30-06. It is ballistically equivelant to the .375 H&H because of the much fatter case. Very neat round! [8D]
They do make a .300 & .338 RCM which are true short action cartridges like the .308 Winchester.
Jon0 -
dano,
The Remington M600/660, XP100 and Model SeVen actions are just a pinch shorter than the standard Short Action M700.
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.375RCM is the Ruger Compact Magnum as developed by Hornady in conjunction with Ruger ! Sir 0 -
I grew up with long action Rifles and 90degree bolt lift . The short actions and 60 degree bolt life seem strange to me sort of like thinking you have one more step to go up or down in the dark. In hunting I always jerk the bolt back as far as it will go then forward until it stops . I don't see it as a big deal. Weight a few ounces is also no big deal . Light rifles kick more and harder to hold steady .YMMV 0 -
Like Jon, I too am not familiar with any factory offerings in .375 RCM, perhaps the wildcatters are enjoying the benefits and not sharing it [}:)].
Hornady's 300 and 338 Ruger Compact Magnum (RCM) cartridges offer big game hunters a unique alternative to these cartridges. Hornady's (claims) remarkably efficient RCM cartridges produce full-power ballistics from 20-inch barrels.
The RCMs are based on the very popular 375 Ruger case, also a Hornady development. The RCMs are only 2.8 inches long, but their fat .532-inch cases deliver ballistics all out of proportion to their size. And they do so out of the Ruger Hawkeye rifle that is 2-4 inches shorter than conventional magnums, weighs less than 8 pounds scoped, slung, and loaded.
Personally, I'd stick to long actions. If weight is an issue, just work out instead [}:)][:p][;)][^].
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Alright, enough.
Hornady developed the .375 Ruger cartridge in conjunction with Ruger. This is an '06 length cartridge and is titled .375 Ruger. This cartridge requires a standard length LONG ACTION to use a magazine.
The Ruger Compact Magnums are available in the .300 RCM and the .338 RCM only for right now. These cartridges fit and function through a SHORT ACTION magazine.
If in doubt or you know something we don't, please check the Hornady website for clarification and complete list of cartridges. This sounds to me like a misnomer and semantics...
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