Question about NRA
I received a card from NRA recently regarding legislation that is presently going through in Arizona. The NRA wants me to contact my representative and ask him to support it. The legislation is to allow any and all Arizonan's to carry a concealed weapon without a permit. The legislator pushing the bill says he wants to see more people in Arizona carry guns. I can see the NRA's wanting to support any legislation that furthers the gun rights of citizen's but I don't think that this is legislation I want to support.
I have a concealed carry permit. I attended the classes and learned alot about the responsiblity that goes along with the carrying of a weapon. Arizona later required a short refresher as part of the renewal of the permit. This also was okay in my book. Now they renew without the refresher being required .. which I suppose is okay.
Now they want to just let anyone that feels the need conceal a weapon in Arizona ..... and with as easy as they made it to obtain a permit and renew it .... I question why they would take this next step?
Is this an attempt to do away with the carry permits? And if it is, how difficult will it be to get a permit if the legislation changes in the future? I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth ..... but this reeks of "beware of greeks bearing gifts" ...
Would appreciate what the members feel about this
I have a concealed carry permit. I attended the classes and learned alot about the responsiblity that goes along with the carrying of a weapon. Arizona later required a short refresher as part of the renewal of the permit. This also was okay in my book. Now they renew without the refresher being required .. which I suppose is okay.
Now they want to just let anyone that feels the need conceal a weapon in Arizona ..... and with as easy as they made it to obtain a permit and renew it .... I question why they would take this next step?
Is this an attempt to do away with the carry permits? And if it is, how difficult will it be to get a permit if the legislation changes in the future? I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth ..... but this reeks of "beware of greeks bearing gifts" ...
Would appreciate what the members feel about this
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quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
Are you one of the fabled 10 percent of NRA members?
Do you vote inside the organization?
I don't remember being asked to vote on anything NRA so I guess I'm not a 10 percent'er. I do well just to read the articles in the magazine that came with the subscription .. and even then the "political" ones don't set well with me. I had enough politic's after 45 years in city service .. I would make a horrendous politico because I have moral obligations and some sort of IQ that keeps me honest. I've had some great bribe offers over the years though, couldn't accept any but it was nice to know they thought I was worth the effort. Had one mention he should have had me killed .. so I know I was doing my job anyways.
I trust you wanted an honest answer .. appoligize for the "more information than you wanted to know" part .. I tend to regress alot.
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fyrfinder ;
Differences of opinions are one of the methods used by intelligent men to learn.
You will find no lock-step hereabouts..except on one issue. That issue revolves around limited government...one of the tenets of that being that the Second Amendment means EXACTLY what it says...and does so for a purpose.0 -
The Arizona Governor just signed a bill into law that is supposed to restrict other more restrictive gun laws in the state.
Ref:http://www.yumasun.com/news/federal-57511-law-brewer.html
Can you really blame me for being confused when they create laws to restrict laws that shouldn't be laws to start with?
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It's sinking in ........ honest it is.0 -
quote:Originally posted by PBJloaf
off subject, but I always wondered why the Irish were the only ones to rise up and fight the British/English in modern times (1916-1922).
And then to carry it on into the latter part of the 20th Century
There are many Scots and Welsh that still resist along with the Irish and are part of a vast underground network, an undefeated army.
Why the downturn of fighting in Scotland, Wales and even Ireland is due to politics, plain and simple along with an underhanded and evil british empire that forces its brutal and unjust governance upon others against their will. However there are always small groups of men and women that decide when enough is enough and stand and fight and just because they may not be victorious doesn't mean they quit, hence undefeated and will carry the fight forever if necessary until victory is attained and the beast is slain.
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by PBJloaf
off subject, but I always wondered why the Irish were the only ones to rise up and fight the British/English in modern times (1916-1922).
And then to carry it on into the latter part of the 20th Century
Because we are stubborn, crazy half the time, and drunk the other half.
WWKD?
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I, and a lot of others on the Gun Rights forum are strict Constitutionalists.
I oppose ALL gun laws. If you are not interfering with anybody else's rights, than your rights are unlimited.
To make it perfectly clear, I think it is perfectly acceptable to be able to buy a Micro Uzi submachinegun out of a vending machine, put it in your pocket and carry it with you.
If you are threatening or shooting at anybody else, THEN you should be imprisoned for interfering with their rights, not for the guns you own or carry.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dsmith
I, and a lot of others on the Gun Rights forum are strict Constitutionalists.
I oppose ALL gun laws. If you are not interfering with anybody else's rights, than your rights are unlimited.
To make it perfectly clear, I think it is perfectly acceptable to be able to buy a Micro Uzi submachinegun out of a vending machine, put it in your pocket and carry it with you.
If you are threatening or shooting at anybody else, THEN you should be imprisoned for interfering with their rights, not for the guns you own or carry.
I am in line with the "my rights" stop where "your" rights begin theory (for lack of a better word). I was going to quote that "when everyone has rights .. no one will have any" phrase ... but that sounds like another darned if you do & darned if you don't statement.
I guess the blocking point would be that the "rights" so often talked about these days means more legislative BS and has no real relationship to constitutional anything.
On the UZI though ... I never could come to terms with that particular configuation ... but then I am a Thompson fanatic from way back and lean quite heavily toward the military hardware of old.
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quote:Originally posted by fyrfinder
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
Are you one of the fabled 10 percent of NRA members?
Do you vote inside the organization?
I don't remember being asked to vote on anything NRA so I guess I'm not a 10 percent'er. I do well just to read the articles in the magazine that came with the subscription .. and even then the "political" ones don't set well with me. I had enough politic's after 45 years in city service .. I would make a horrendous politico because I have moral obligations and some sort of IQ that keeps me honest. I've had some great bribe offers over the years though, couldn't accept any but it was nice to know they thought I was worth the effort. Had one mention he should have had me killed .. so I know I was doing my job anyways.
I trust you wanted an honest answer .. appoligize for the "more information than you wanted to know" part .. I tend to regress alot.
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On the second bit, thats Good to know, Corruption is an insidious thing in all levels of government around these parts.. For every person like yourself there is a houndred without that type of ethical fortitude.0 -
The event that started me on this post has progressed to the Governor's desk for her consideration.
Ref: http://www.yumasun.com/news/way-57606-bill-brewers.html
Somewhat of a "hot topic" down here (depending on where you are) and the reader comments are "interesting" ... overwhelmingly positive for the bill, and a couple against.
No where did I see anyone that has brought up the issue from the second amendment point of view, which I might add is a position that I stand with since reviewing the comments on this discussion board.
From that viewpoint it now appears so strange to see others applauding another legislation that sets the stage for further legislative actions pro and con .... on an issue that should never have been an issue to start with. [xx(]
Thanks guys ..... there may be hope for me yet.
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quote:Originally posted by fyrfinder
The event that started me on this post has progressed to the Governor's desk for her consideration.
Ref: http://www.yumasun.com/news/way-57606-bill-brewers.html
Somewhat of a "hot topic" down here (depending on where you are) and the reader comments are "interesting" ... overwhelmingly positive for the bill, and a couple against.
No where did I see anyone that has brought up the issue from the second amendment point of view, which I might add is a position that I stand with since reviewing the comments on this discussion board.
From that viewpoint it now appears so strange to see others applauding another legislation that sets the stage for further legislative actions pro and con .... on an issue that should never have been an issue to start with. [xx(]
Thanks guys ..... there may be hope for me yet.
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There obviously is, fyrfinder, and each individual awakening is important.
Freedom is a spirit and heart thing, not something that is taught in a class and is bestowed upon thee by government. One can only hope that your governor respects you (the citizen) enough to understand the difference between 'right' and 'privilege' and to act accordingly.0 -
NRA represents first the gun manufactures then members...
Being a 2nd class item in NRA eyes make your call.0 -
News today (AP) The Governor has signed the no permit/concealed weapons bill today. Will take effect 90 days after the end of the legislative session .. July or August so they say.
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