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M1 Garand Question

1988z01
I know that there are narrow base and wide base gas
cylinders for M1 Garands.. I have been told that a
M1 Garand (manufactured around 1944) should have a wide base
cylinder... My question is, will a narrow base fit the
rifle? there seems to be more narrow base cylinders up for
auction then wide base...

thanks

rick
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  • 1988z01
    I just picked up an M1 Garand in great condition, the receiver is marked on the left side C A T Gorgia, VT. The stock is after market, as it has no inspector stamps or other markings on it.
    Can anyone give me an idea what this is? Who C A T is? Is value comarible to armoury rebuild?
    Thanks for the help.
    W.D.
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  • mark christian
    In my opinion it is not even worth close to the $900. It is simply another of the many M1 rifles imported from overseas during the late 1980s, very few of which were anything special. Unless there is something about the rifle that you failed to mention (and your description is very good and well detailed) I am thinking more like $500 tops.
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  • 1988z01
    quote:Originally posted by mark christian
    It is simply another of the many M1 rifles imported from overseas during the late 1980s, very few of which were anything special. Unless there is something about the rifle that you failed to mention (and your description is very good and well detailed) I am thinking more like $500 tops.


    Once again, you guys are awesome. I didn't think it was anything special. He was saying it was completely original, which I would find absolutely hard to believe. I don't know anything about DRAWING NUMBERS, but I think I got a January 44 from the receiver and a December 1950 from the barrel. I believe I will just tell him its something we just couldn't even make an offer on and check out a few on GB I have seen. The one thing I can say about it is that it looked VERY clean. This way I don't offend him, and we can find a nice one with a little more value.

    Any suggestions as to wat to look for would be appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Jamie
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  • givette
    Your friend has bumped up the price on this particular item he's selling. It's his nature. Perhaps a side of him heretofore unrealized?

    I don't envy you the 'diplomacy' that is required to cancel the deal.

    Tell him your G'pops is no longer interested, or sumsuch. You know what they are worth. Glad you did your homework by checking the auction side, and, of course, with us.

    Opinion: Show him the error of his ways by showing him the GB sales of M1's, and by showing him this post.

    If he still insists on the price, walk. Actually, the repaired stock (yes, it looks nice: it has had plastic surgery), and the fact that it has an import stamp on it-sure sign of a beat, tired rifle-is enough to end the deal if I were buying. Even for $500, in my opinion.

    Here's a 'ferinstance: for two-thousand dollars, you can get an arsenal rebuilt rifle, and one that the wear gauges show as 'unfired since arsenal rebuild', along with a goodly amount of ammo, and accessories.

    I think you smelled a bad deal from the get go. Hope I (we?) were enough to take it over the top of 'no sale'. Best, Joe

    EDIT
    Just read your post immediately above. It has an import stamp. That means it went through 'arsenal rebuild' prior to shipping to the designated ally. No way, Ho-say, is that gun original. And if truth be known, less than 1pct of the Garands on the market today have the same parts in them that they had when they were crated for shipment to the US Gov't back in the '40's. The barrel date, for one, is proof of that. Best again, Joe

    EDIT 2
    What to look for? If you see something that catches your eye over at the GB auctions, post the link right here on this forum. We'll give you an unbiased opinion. Best again, again, Joe
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  • Emmett Dunham
    Head over to CMP and take a look at the SA Specials they have for sale. These rifles are completely reconditioned and are complete with a new stock for around a grand.


    Emmett
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  • 1988z01
    Thanks guys. I really do appreciate everything. My grandfather has definitely had a Garand bug lately, and so have I. My buddy genuinely believes he has a goldmine. I think he might want to keep that one in the family. Just like anything, you have to do your homework. I have shown him how to go through everything on here, and I will be back with one I am sure for some advice. Thanks for saving my old Marine some heartache. He went through hell with his first Garand. This one should be a much better tour.
    Jamie
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  • dcs shooters
    Also the serial number is under 3 million,so the heat treat o the reciever is not that good for a shooter. Watch the CMP web site as ther are about 85,000 Garands comming in from Korea very soon [;)]
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  • 1988z01
    quote:Originally posted by dcs shooters
    85,000 Garands comming in from Korea [;)]


    That sounds wonderful. I would love to find him a nice collector grade CMP to show him the difference. I am in the process of joining now. He deserves it!
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  • firstharmonic
    As to Korean Garands and the CMP, here's a quote that you might find interesting:

    "The emals and calls keep pouring in to CMP asking about the Korean rifles and carbines. The following is our reply:

    The rumors, reports, articles about Korea have been circulating for at least five years. A few months ago a Korean newspaper once again reported that they would selling Garands and carbines to a US importer. The CMP is not a firearms importer and we do not have any involvement of any kind in anything that may happen with these Korean rifles and carbines.

    The only way any rifle or carbine from any country can find its way to the CMP is if the country returns loaned rifles back to the US Army. When that happens, the CMP "may" possibly receive some of those rifles. According to the recent articles, Korea will not be returning anything to the US Army, but will be "selling" these rifles to an importer. If, in fact, these rifles are sold to an importer, the CMP will not see even one of them. We do not have any additional information on this subject. Thanks for understanding.


    Orest Michaels
    Chief Operating Officer"

    And "Also the serial number is under 3 million,so the heat treat o the reciever is not that good for a shooter." is a new one to me. Perhaps Mark can comment on this?
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  • nmyers
    firstharmonic is correct, "heat treat" of the receiver is not a problem. Early in WW2 problems were found in some receivers, but heat treatment was added to the manufacturing process. Early receivers were annealed when they went through arsenal rebuilding.

    "CMP collector grade" rifles are unlikely to ever be available again from CMP. But, they do show up on a regular basis on the GB auction site, & prices are not unreasonable.

    CMP does have "service grade" Springfield Armory rifles available for $595 (with at least a 60 day wait), & that is a risk-free way to get a genuine, unmessed with, rifle.

    Neal
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