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trigger_happie
ok, what is an FFL and how do you get one if you dont have one?

Thankyou and Godbless
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  • trigger_happie
    Can one get an ffl for just internet sales if I ddin't want to have a store front just yet.
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  • 45forme
    quote:Originally posted by trigger_happie
    Hi. Im new here...But I want to start collecting fully auto gun...what do i need? Federal Firearms License? i been researching some info on it but they dont say anything on if i can buy gun just as a collector they only state about been a dealer except for relic guns...i want like guns like mp5 and stuff like that? can any one point me in the right direction...


    There is a lot of information about this on the web. What you are asking about are NFA (national firearms act) or Class 3 weapons, or
    Title 2 firearms. All different terms for these same types of weapons. First you need to check the rules for your state:

    http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/

    Then you need to fill out an ATF form 4:

    http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-5320-4.pdf

    The most difficult part is the CLEO (chief law enforcement officer) signature that is required. They are supposed to do it if you qualify, but there are a lot of unofficial road blocks in getting access to them. Here is where you need to find a class 3 dealer locally that can help you through the process, or at least point you in the right direction.

    Here is a great FAQ from a pro gun guy:

    http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/nfa_faqhtml.html

    Read all that. But to summarize:

    You don't need an FFL yourself, you need to have $200 and a lot of time and patience. You will want to find a local FFL with an SOT. The SOT is the special tax that allows the holder of the FFL to transfer (to themselves aka buy) Class 3 weapons without paying for a transfer stamp every time. Essentially makes them a machine gun dealer. But they can't sell without every customer doing this paperwork, so they should have incentive to help you with it. You will have to pay the tax to receive it.

    What you can buy (if you live in a cool state): Machine guns made and imported before 1986. That last date comes from the hilariously named Firearm Owners' Protection Act. Laughing my a$$ off.

    So you can get your MP5, but it will be made before 1986, and there will never be any more, so you will pay through the nose for a used one. You will never have all the cool Call of Duty Modern Warfare guns that you lust for so much: F2000, ACR, SCAR, P90, Vector, AA-12, glock G-18, HK G36C unless you get a semi-auto version because they were all made after 1986.[:(]

    Filling out the form 4 goes something like this:

    Find the machine gun you want to buy. Get the information, description, and serial number and put it on the form. You need this first. Pay for the gun, but you have to leave it with the dealer.

    Have an authorized place fingerprint you onto two cards (could be the local PD or private investigator office)

    Go to Kinkos or somthing like that and get two official passport photos.

    Find your chief law enforcement officers name. This is probably the sheriff of your county. Go to their office and nag them until they tell you how to have your background check done, and form signed.

    Have the dealer look over your paperwork for you, because nothing would make the ATF happier than rejecting it on a technicality.

    Send all this, plus $200 to the address on the form and wait 4 months. Ironically they will cash your check in the first two weeks. You can call for status, but it will always be "in process".

    About the time you forgot all about it, the ATF will send you a nifty $200 stamp with 1 of the returned forms (I forgot to mention you need to send 2 of everything, I guess because their copier is broken).

    You may now bail out of work early and drive at top speed to your dealer and take possesion of said gun, having thoughly protected yourself with the Firearm Owners' Protection Act, and didn't it feel good?

    Tim

    P.S. Special thanks to Clackams County, Oregon and the Clackamas County Sheriff, who, while they don't advertise it, actually have a department that allows you to walk in and speak with a pleasant, helpful person, who helped me with everthing, and turned the fingerprinting, and sign off into a 1 stop shopping convenience. No bullet proof glass, just courteous people. This is coincidentally located at their open to the public shooting range and concealed carry license department. Seriously, hat's off to you. You have made me forget I was dealing with "government". Multnomah county on the other hand.... Shame on you.
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  • nmyers
    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=365687

    But, the easiest way is to find a Class 3 dealer in your area, & talk to him. You have no choice but to use him to receive your full auto guns, & it is in his interest to satisfy your needs. If he doesn't have what you want, he can get it.

    Neal

    "Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?" --- sign, Coleman Bros Speed Shop
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  • Nwcid
    It looks like 45 has some good info, but I did not read it all.

    As NM pointed out there is a NFA FAQ right here on this site.

    The #1 thing you need is lots of money, it is not a cheep hobby.
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  • 45forme
    quote:Originally posted by Nwcid
    It looks like 45 has some good info, but I did not read it all.

    As NM pointed out there is a NFA FAQ right here on this site.

    The #1 thing you need is lots of money, it is not a cheep hobby.





    Dear Sirs,

    While the NFA FAQ posted on the site appears to be more accurate, more comprehensive, and overall more proffesional than my post, I find mine to be more humorous.[;)]

    Tim

    P.S. thanks Nwcid, I should have realized there was already NFA info on the site. My compliments on your version, it is easy to understand and informative.
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