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bowmanrljr
I recently bought a Mosin from a person and attempted to shoot it today only to find out the bullet gets hung up while trying to load it into the chamber. I put a mark on the bullet and found at around the 5 oclock spot a spot that looks like theres maybe a burr inside the barrel catching it. It leaves like a scrape mark. I looed as best as I could and can't seem to find anything. What options do I have? Is there some sort of a round file I can use?. Does it need professional help or should I just chalk one up for getting shafted? There has to be a way to fix this..any suggestions would be appreicated..Thanks
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  • bowmanrljr
    I want to add a Mosin Nagant to my very small collection. For those of you who are into these thing, which models, years, and arsenal marks (I assume Tula) are most desireable? What are the best sources?

    Thanks, JCS44
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  • Nwcid
    Well if done right it should not effect it much at all. Resale is not going to change much if at all. You could buy a lot new M44's since they are under $100 for what it would cost to re-barrel the one you have now.
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  • beantownshootah
    quote:Originally posted by bowmanrljr
    First, thanks for the info on my US Revolver...My next item is a Mosin Nagant, 1945, M44 just recently purchased. I am new at this and I have some questions.. 1..What is counter boring?

    "Counterboring" is a poor mans' version of a recrown.

    When the muzzle of a rifle is damaged via neglect, or more usually improper cleaning with metallic cleaning rods, you lose accuracy. Traditionally, the muzzle can be restored by recrowning it. You cut off a little barrel and then smooth off the end. The problem is , when you have a metallic sight attached to the end of the barrel, it becomes more complicated to cut some of it off.

    Counterboring accomplishes the same thing, only instead of cutting off a small amount of barrel and touching up the rifling, a portion of the INSIDE of the barrel is drilled out (or "counterbored"). The picture shows this pretty well:

    Counterbored barrel (left) Normal barrel (right).
    counterbore.JPG

    quote:I read about this, checked my rifle by dropping a round in the end of the barrel, and it is counter bored. How is this going to affect accuracy, and resale.
    Its impossible to know how this might have affected accuracy, since you didn't test the gun for accuracy before it was counterbored! But as above, the point of counterboring is to INCREASE accuracy. . it probably didn't hurt your gun too much.

    In terms of resale value, you bought the gun already counterbored. . .you're going to sell it counterbored. It shouldn't affect resale value. For what its worth, most of the M44s have been counterbored.

    In *general* NON-counterbored M44s are probably worth a little more, if otherwise in excellent shape. . .but zillions of these are on the surplus market and none of them are going to be worth all that much. I think you can still get these for about $150 in excellent condition. I paid less than that for mine (retail) less than a year ago (and it wasn't counterbored).

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    Is it going to be worth rebarreling? Thank you for your help...

    I've actually looked into this, and the quick answer is "no".

    Bottom line is, that no way are you going to be able to rebarrel the gun for less than the cost of just buying a new one in excellent condition.

    To elaborate further, good condition spare barrels for Mosin rifles are actually hard to find; most of them are attached to guns. Needless to say it doesn't make sense to remove an excellent barrel from one gun, only to stick it into another one! If you were to find an excellent condition barrel, you'd expect to pay for it nearly as much as the cost of an entire surplus gun. Then you'd have to pay to take out the old barrel from your gun, install the new one, and have it headspaced.

    If you can't find a nice new barrel (and I don't know of any sources for this) you could undoubtedly have a custom barrel made. . .but it would cost 3x the total cost of the rifle just to make it. While I think it would sort of cool to have a fluted stainless match barrel installed into a Mosin, this is a "more dollars than brains" kind of project.

    Next, removing a Mosin barrel can actually be quite difficult. Usually they are wedged in there pretty hard, and the receiver of the gun can be damaged in trying to remove them. The point is swapping barrels here can be a PITA.

    Lastly, before you go talking about swapping barrels, you might want to see how yours shoots! You might be surprised how well ugly-looking barrels can shoot (or how poorly nice-looking ones will).
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  • team roper ozzy
    sling some lead through it when u get it(M44)... and remember to extend the bayonet for accuracy when shooting it.....put it this was my 79.00 91/30 shot the crap out of the bullseye at 100 yards with heavy ball ammo...nice guns for a cheap price and nice shooters [:D]
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