ar triggers
I have several stripped lowers to build upon the first is for varmits the second will be an m4 style. my question is two stage triggers vrs stock triggers and last but not least drop in's like wilson combat, ar gold etc. any help would be appreciated.
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Hello trox32,
Welcome to the forums here on Gunbroker.
I would use a factory standard singlestage for the M-4 build, and a Bushmaster two stage for the varmint model. Timney also makes a great drop in for target and match work.
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The best triggers on the market are made by Geissele. Expensive, but well worth it. 0 -
I've never gotten used to 2 stage triggers on varmint/target rigs - just me. I've had very good luck with JP triggers/hammers - they take some setup, but have been flawless in over 10 years of prairie dogging. Lately, I've used a couple of adjustable Jards with good success. Just make sure you clean and use threadlock, especially on the disconnector adjustment - it will back out in about 75 rounds if not locked. Jard and JP are probably the less expensive options, but have worked well for me. 0 -
It depends on your tastes. Many people like 2 stage triggers many people dont like them. It comes down to personal tastes.
I prefer a nice light single stage trigger myself. I have a 2 stage trigger in my Bushmaster Varminter that came in the gun. I have adjusted it a few times and have never found it to be as nice as my single stages. I think this is because I can not set the second stage as light as I would like (around 2#) and still have a well felt break in stages. I still have this trigger in the gun because I have not felt it was bad enough to spend $200 to replace it but I would not have been happy had I spent money on it.
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thanks for the reply I really appreciate your inputquote:Originally posted by bentley47
I've never gotten used to 2 stage triggers on varmint/target rigs - just me. I've had very good luck with JP triggers/hammers - they take some setup, but have been flawless in over 10 years of prairie dogging. Lately, I've used a couple of adjustable Jards with good success. Just make sure you clean and use threadlock, especially on the disconnector adjustment - it will back out in about 75 rounds if not locked. Jard and JP are probably the less expensive options, but have worked well for me.0 -
I agree entirely with NWCID.
This is mostly a question of personal preference.
There is no right or wrong answer; its possible to get good results with a variety of trigger makes or designs.
The most important thing is what YOU like, and what you are willing to spend to get there.
I think the more you shoot, the more pronounced your preferences get, and the more "picky" you get. Once you've been shooting a lot, and tried a lot of different guns, you'll learn what you like and don't like.
Some people like 2-stage triggers, some hate them. In Europe, the match shooters tend to go more for 2-stages.
My take on this, is that if you want a really light trigger (for example for match target shooting or varmint hunting), then a 2-stage is a good way to go.
The idea is, if you're used to a heavier trigger pull, or tend to fire many different guns (particularly similar platform guns), firing a single-stage 2 or 3 lb trigger can be disconcerting, because the gun may seem to go off suddenly when you apply less pressure to the trigger than you are used to.
Going to a 2-stage trigger gives you a sort of "warning" when you are pulling the first stage of the trigger so you'll know when the light break is coming.
For a combat-type gun, you probably want a harder/heavier trigger (though IMO not more than 5 lbs), and in that application a single stage trigger is fine. The idea is that if you are shooting it under life-and-death circumstances, the adrenaline may be flowing, and you'll lose some fine motor skills. A super light trigger may actually work against you under that sort of circumstance.
Note that its perfectly reasonable to have a similar 3-4 lb single stage trigger on both guns, if you like.
Also note that for what they are, the stock triggers on most AR-15s are reasonably good, with the dual advantages of reliability and low cost. I'd say particularly for the M4-type gun, its worth trying one out before you go all nuts with fancy aftermarket drop in triggers.0 -
trox32,
My preference for varmint/target is a light single stage such as RRA single stage, Chip McCormick, Geissle (spendy but great). I haven't tried a Timney in an AR but I use them a lot in my bolt guns. Obviously, I like them a lot. To me, a precision AR is no different than a precision bolt gun.
On the M4 is where I would go with the two stage. Or, I got one that was pretty interesting (someone here called it a roll-off). The mating surfaces of the sear and hammer were polished down so that you got a single stage that feels like a two stage. I put a set of light JP springs in and it's one very smooth easy trigger. With plenty of take-up on it for carrying around. Unless I had got one with the lower I bought, I never would have personally gone that route. Now that I've used it I like it a lot. The trigger isn't meant for precision shooting but will work pretty good still if pushed into it. What it does do is keep you from jerking the rifle when squeezing the trigger.0 -
FWIW I've put the Rock River Arms 2 stage on 4 or 5 builds to include an AR 10 type. They've all gone in properly with no complications and work fine - no disconnector issues. I'm not terribly serious about the AR, very good and reliable work best for me. 0 -
I like the White Oak tuned RRA 2-stage triggers if you can find one. 0 -
I put in a JP trigger when they came out and were endorsed by a writer.
It took a bit of fiddling to get it light.
After 500 or so rounds it had to be readjusted as it started to double.The disconnector also had to be ground and fitted to achieve a light, reliable trigger pull.
A light single stage trigger pull means minimal sear to hammer engagement that might let off if the rifle is dropped.
It would be much less hassle to install a preset drop in unit whose precision is independent of the rifle.
Any looseness in frame pin holes would have no effect on the trigger pull.0
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